April 23, 2020

A Fresh Perspective On Sidewalk Counseling

A Fresh Perspective On Sidewalk Counseling

In this episode, we do an interview with our new intern, Autumn Lowery. She's brand new to the sidewalks and working through the different fears and concerns. We think her perspective will be a blessing and encouragement to those who are thinking of...


In this episode, we do an interview with our new intern, Autumn Lowery. She's brand new to the sidewalks and working through the different fears and concerns. We think her perspective will be a blessing and encouragement to those who are thinking of getting involved and even those who've been involved in pro-life ministry for awhile.

charlotte.cities4life.org

www.sideswalks4life.com

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.109 Lord. Welcome to the Gospel Center pray life podcast. There's a lot of 3 00:00:10.189 --> 00:00:13.509 expectations of what it's like to be on the sidewalk in front of an abortion 4 00:00:13.630 --> 00:00:17.149 center. This episode we talked with our intern autumn, about what it felt 5 00:00:17.149 --> 00:00:20.230 like for her and we thought her perspective would be a blessing to you. 6 00:00:20.510 --> 00:00:35.619 Stay tuned. I felt show Passi touch your heart. Welcome to the Gospel 7 00:00:35.619 --> 00:00:39.130 Center pray life podcast. We're glad to be able to be with you and 8 00:00:39.289 --> 00:00:43.090 just share from our hearts some of the things that Lord has put on our 9 00:00:43.170 --> 00:00:47.530 hearts and today we really want to have a podcast that will help some of 10 00:00:47.570 --> 00:00:51.359 you folks who are hearing about what we're doing with cities for life and what 11 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:55.320 other people are doing at abortion clinics. Although this podcast is not just about 12 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:59.560 sidewalk counseling, it's a lot of what we focus on and the perspective we're 13 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:02.880 coming from, and some of you guys are may be interested and get involved. 14 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:04.709 Maybe you have been involved, but there can be some barriers. You 15 00:01:04.790 --> 00:01:07.670 know, we hear from a lot of folks that want to be involved on 16 00:01:07.750 --> 00:01:10.510 the sidewalk and there's a lot of unknowns, there's a lot of you, 17 00:01:10.829 --> 00:01:15.590 scariness of doing something new and something outside of your comfort zone. So we 18 00:01:15.750 --> 00:01:19.219 thought that we would bring a guest on who has had that experience in the 19 00:01:19.260 --> 00:01:23.859 past couple of weeks. Who is our intern the cities for life. Yeah, 20 00:01:23.900 --> 00:01:26.859 she's done a great job. Autumn, Autumn Lowery, who's been with 21 00:01:26.900 --> 00:01:30.099 us. You've been, I'm ministering, with us for for a couple of 22 00:01:30.180 --> 00:01:33.849 weeks now. How long? This is my fourth week, Fourth Week Minister 23 00:01:33.969 --> 00:01:37.290 with it now. You had been out on the sidewalk before when you were 24 00:01:37.370 --> 00:01:41.209 younger with a church group that came out and so you kind of had an 25 00:01:41.250 --> 00:01:46.930 idea of what goes on out there, but you really never experienced it from 26 00:01:46.930 --> 00:01:51.519 that perspective until just about four weeks ago. Yes, so we wanted to 27 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:55.120 have autumn on guys so that we could kind of, you know, get 28 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:57.519 some of the the the questions that you guys have answered, some of the 29 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:01.790 anxiety that you feel. Maybe we can help calm some of that and encourage 30 00:02:01.829 --> 00:02:04.909 you to be out there on the sidewalk, you know, just to take 31 00:02:04.950 --> 00:02:08.669 a step of faith to do the hard ministry of being on the sidewalk. 32 00:02:08.870 --> 00:02:13.830 It's misunderstood. Even in Christian circles. People don't understand why you're out there. 33 00:02:13.870 --> 00:02:15.699 So that's one of the fears. But just in your mind, maybe 34 00:02:15.740 --> 00:02:21.939 you misunderstand what sidewalk counseling is and what you know, what it feels like 35 00:02:22.060 --> 00:02:23.979 to be out there. So we're going to just talk with autumn a little 36 00:02:23.979 --> 00:02:28.979 bit and hopefully this conversation will be a conversation with you as well as you're 37 00:02:29.020 --> 00:02:31.050 listening. Yeah, and in calm some of the fears that you have. 38 00:02:31.490 --> 00:02:36.050 Yeah, yeah, so I'll ask You, autumn, as you came, 39 00:02:36.169 --> 00:02:38.889 because you reached out to me on email and ask about interning with us. 40 00:02:39.129 --> 00:02:45.159 You're at North Greenville, yes university there, and you needed an internship. 41 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:47.039 That's part of your your school in there, and so he reached out to 42 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:52.560 me about coming out and I said Ah, fresh me fun. We were 43 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:57.240 so excited. You don't know what she's getting into. Yeah, what were 44 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:00.389 your thoughts? Like kind of I know I asked you this when we interview 45 00:03:00.469 --> 00:03:02.389 you for the internship, like what do you think we do? But before 46 00:03:02.469 --> 00:03:06.590 you came out on the sidewalk, Whoa, what were your thoughts? So 47 00:03:06.710 --> 00:03:08.349 what SID Walk Counseling. He is what cities for life does. What was 48 00:03:08.389 --> 00:03:13.460 going through your mind? Well, I think I maybe had a little bit 49 00:03:14.099 --> 00:03:17.819 of a different perspective just because I have been coming out with my church since 50 00:03:17.939 --> 00:03:22.860 like the sixth grade, but I had never talked on the trobe drive until 51 00:03:22.900 --> 00:03:24.659 I started working for you guys. We'd always come out just to pray. 52 00:03:24.659 --> 00:03:29.169 Yeah, so I actually didn't know I was going to be as involved on 53 00:03:29.250 --> 00:03:31.849 the sidewalks as I am just being an intern. I thought I was going 54 00:03:31.889 --> 00:03:35.610 to do a lot more, maybe behind the scene stuff. So when you 55 00:03:35.650 --> 00:03:38.090 guys told me that I was going to be more on the sidewalk, I 56 00:03:38.129 --> 00:03:40.129 went home and told Ashley. I was like I'm gonna cry. It's like 57 00:03:40.250 --> 00:03:46.000 that's so intimidating. Again, I've never said a word on this street before 58 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:49.759 now, like and I didn't know that you guys called out as much as 59 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:53.199 you did, I guess, because when I had come out with my youth 60 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:55.229 group it was just one person like on a mic talking, and so I 61 00:03:55.349 --> 00:04:00.150 thought that's majority. I didn't know. I thought like maybe the Sidewalk Council 62 00:04:00.310 --> 00:04:02.669 just sat there and waited. Someone came out and did but just flock to 63 00:04:02.789 --> 00:04:05.509 them. Yeah, I guess that's what I thought, you know, living 64 00:04:05.509 --> 00:04:09.469 in America, right. So that but like and then pless. You knew 65 00:04:09.550 --> 00:04:14.860 we were such wonderful people and you're exactly see their places. You'd want to 66 00:04:14.939 --> 00:04:17.060 cling to that. And then on Saturdays, I've never been out doing the 67 00:04:17.100 --> 00:04:20.300 week and on Saturday is it just there's so much going on, it's so 68 00:04:20.379 --> 00:04:24.730 hectic. It's hard to see everything, guys going on. And then with 69 00:04:24.810 --> 00:04:27.329 the proports being out there, I feel like that's where a lot of my 70 00:04:27.449 --> 00:04:30.129 tension roles go, because it's just you don't see that like a target, 71 00:04:30.290 --> 00:04:34.769 you know. Right. So I definitely didn't know that I would be talking 72 00:04:34.850 --> 00:04:41.680 as much as I have been, and that has been very challenging and very 73 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:44.560 scary. So, yeah, but yeah, in fact terrifying, I guess 74 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:48.480 from the the ECO Turre, we had no clue. Right. I'm sorry, 75 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:53.870 very sorry. It's great. Listen, you need that. You need 76 00:04:53.990 --> 00:04:57.189 to be put out and we really did sort of put her out there. 77 00:04:57.230 --> 00:05:00.069 We did. Hey, you want to intern with us? We have a 78 00:05:00.189 --> 00:05:04.149 job for you. Yeah, but in our defense, when you were initially 79 00:05:04.230 --> 00:05:10.699 talking to us, coronavirus had not yet quite appeared, or if it yeah, 80 00:05:10.819 --> 00:05:14.100 it hadn't at least crossed over to our country and all of a sudden 81 00:05:14.100 --> 00:05:16.620 here we are with the with, you know, all these new restrictions. 82 00:05:16.660 --> 00:05:20.060 We have no idea how we're going to navigate that, but we didn't want 83 00:05:20.060 --> 00:05:24.250 to lose our journey. Well, even when I came to interview with you 84 00:05:24.370 --> 00:05:26.569 guys, I didn't even know I was gonna be able to start right away 85 00:05:26.569 --> 00:05:29.410 because at that point my school was still like we might still go back right 86 00:05:29.529 --> 00:05:32.649 so it was way before anything major ride. I really had no idea. 87 00:05:32.730 --> 00:05:36.160 Yeah, but it was going to look like. Yeah, so the calling 88 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:41.560 out in your mind, was that the scariest preconception that you did? Just 89 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:45.360 so we kind of define our terms. That's a little shorthand calling out right. 90 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:47.199 Yeah, pretty easy for people to figure out. But basically, people 91 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:50.709 are going into the abortion center, get out of their cars, they've got 92 00:05:51.029 --> 00:05:55.350 probably fifteen seconds before they make it to the front door. We're calling out 93 00:05:55.430 --> 00:05:58.389 to them to get them to come over and talk to us. So we're 94 00:05:58.470 --> 00:06:01.670 trying to start a conversation, but we've got to call out across the parking 95 00:06:01.709 --> 00:06:05.139 lot. So and that can be an intimidating thing. Yeah, so my 96 00:06:05.379 --> 00:06:09.819 first day out there, Viggie told me just to stay in there and listen 97 00:06:10.500 --> 00:06:14.060 and because I really I was like what do you like? Do you say 98 00:06:14.100 --> 00:06:17.139 things that are offensive? Do you not offend? You only preach love? 99 00:06:17.339 --> 00:06:20.730 Do you also talk about the reality of what they're doing? And I in 100 00:06:20.810 --> 00:06:23.930 the back of my mind I was like, I can't say anything because I'll 101 00:06:23.970 --> 00:06:27.170 say the wrong thing. And so let's kind of what I wanted to get 102 00:06:27.170 --> 00:06:29.490 it. Yeah, there's a fear of saying the wrong thing. Yeah, 103 00:06:29.529 --> 00:06:33.360 and so like and even being out there for four weeks now, even when 104 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:36.160 they're super nice to me, I'm like, I don't want to say anything 105 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:41.120 that's gonna offend them, but they're literally about to drive in and murder their 106 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:44.800 child. It's such going back and forth in my mind of like this is 107 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:46.589 life and death and they want to choose death. You sometimes have to say 108 00:06:47.110 --> 00:06:51.829 offensive things, and so the women on the sidewalk that I've worked with so 109 00:06:51.949 --> 00:06:57.149 far have been absolutely amazing. So you don't the volunteers? Yes, it's 110 00:06:57.189 --> 00:07:00.980 yes, yeah, they have been so great and because even sometimes I'll think 111 00:07:01.019 --> 00:07:03.060 of my head, is this okay to say, and then she'll say it 112 00:07:03.180 --> 00:07:05.300 right and say I'm like okay, that was it. That's okay to say, 113 00:07:05.779 --> 00:07:11.860 and they have just been very honest. But it I hear it and 114 00:07:11.939 --> 00:07:14.339 it's coming from a place that we love you and we want to help you. 115 00:07:15.180 --> 00:07:17.009 What you hear a lot from the counselors on the sidewalk is we just 116 00:07:17.129 --> 00:07:20.649 want to help you and we're here. And then a lot of the women 117 00:07:20.689 --> 00:07:24.850 I have shared with me that they've experienced this too, and so that's been 118 00:07:24.889 --> 00:07:28.649 interesting to hear, is that they're being bold about we I've been in your 119 00:07:28.689 --> 00:07:30.600 shoes kind of thing. And for me, if I was walking inside and 120 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:34.959 was abortion minded, hearing that someone out there could relate with me, that 121 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:38.439 would I would identify with that and that would make me want to listen and 122 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:41.399 stuff. So so, yeah, just going back and forth. I know 123 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:45.029 you guys weren't going to throw your pitchforks at them just because of coming out 124 00:07:45.029 --> 00:07:47.310 with love life. I never saw anything like that, and so I just 125 00:07:47.430 --> 00:07:51.949 didn't know like where the line was. Yeah, and I feel like there's 126 00:07:51.990 --> 00:07:55.870 not really a line, because you have to be honest. Yeah, like 127 00:07:56.310 --> 00:08:01.220 they are good. It's it's a strange dynamic and it's something, you know, 128 00:08:01.300 --> 00:08:03.339 I've learned over the years and I know you've learned over the years and 129 00:08:03.459 --> 00:08:07.980 everybody sort of has their own perspective and there, I guess, their own 130 00:08:09.899 --> 00:08:11.500 I don't know, angle they come from. As far as yes, if 131 00:08:11.540 --> 00:08:13.850 you're post aboard. If you're going to come from a different angle, well 132 00:08:13.930 --> 00:08:18.250 that. But the Lord has really blessed us, I think, with a 133 00:08:18.410 --> 00:08:22.490 good balance, and we did a podcast about this balancing truth and grace, 134 00:08:22.170 --> 00:08:26.449 and I think the Lord has helped us. I think we've learned through some 135 00:08:26.930 --> 00:08:30.519 trial and error them and made plenty of mistakes in my time of being just, 136 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.120 you know, just too fourth right. But also, you know, 137 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.879 we can be not forth right enough. I mean we were had a place 138 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:39.440 of life and death. Were there in front of an abortion thing. This 139 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:43.029 is, of course, what I want folks who may be intimidated a little 140 00:08:43.029 --> 00:08:46.389 bit about going out to an abortion and it can be in the side wall 141 00:08:46.429 --> 00:08:50.789 counselor you know, you got to be aware that you're in a place literally 142 00:08:50.830 --> 00:08:54.950 of life and death and it's not no time to dance around the issues. 143 00:08:54.029 --> 00:08:56.580 We've got to be forth right. When a woman's coming to the abortion clinic 144 00:08:56.620 --> 00:09:00.980 and she stops to take our information, we don't talk about the whether or 145 00:09:00.980 --> 00:09:03.580 anything like that. We get right to that right here fro an abortion. 146 00:09:03.220 --> 00:09:07.100 Now, from that point we're not going to just say what if you're here 147 00:09:07.100 --> 00:09:09.220 from an abortion, your wicked person. You know, we don't get there. 148 00:09:09.379 --> 00:09:11.809 We want to engage in a conversation, but we're going to be real. 149 00:09:11.929 --> 00:09:13.129 Fourth Right. And so you've picked up on a lot of that. 150 00:09:13.289 --> 00:09:18.370 Yeah, I guess, gracious forthrightness. Yeah, maybe you would got that. 151 00:09:18.450 --> 00:09:22.210 Well. I think you've identified the tension that I think exists in all 152 00:09:22.250 --> 00:09:26.679 of us, not just when you're brand new but throughout. I'm and and 153 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:33.080 that that that balance does shift depending on what the person you're talking to, 154 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:37.320 yeah, has to say and and where. If she's hardening her heart, 155 00:09:37.909 --> 00:09:41.990 I'm going to tend to shift more towards truth. Yeah, and I know 156 00:09:43.149 --> 00:09:48.950 I do that. I'm conscious of that because I'm always feeling there's a baby 157 00:09:48.029 --> 00:09:52.340 slipe on the line. Yeah, and and to express too much of God's 158 00:09:52.379 --> 00:09:58.500 forgiveness and love to early just helps her to justify that's something I've noticed, 159 00:09:58.500 --> 00:10:01.059 as well as when there's been a mom that's in and out of her Carla 160 00:10:01.059 --> 00:10:05.059 or in out of the building. A lot write the progress of what comes 161 00:10:05.100 --> 00:10:09.330 out of the side. What counselor's right. It's deeper. Yes, first 162 00:10:09.370 --> 00:10:11.009 it's like here's what we can do, we can help you, and then 163 00:10:11.090 --> 00:10:13.970 as they notice that they're coming in and out, then and get I noticed 164 00:10:13.970 --> 00:10:16.370 that they get down to the root of this is sin, this is what 165 00:10:16.490 --> 00:10:20.330 would God have yeah, and you can't take back and stuff, and I 166 00:10:20.409 --> 00:10:24.159 think that's been really helpful to yeah, I know one of the the benefits 167 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:26.679 that you've had, and I think you'll say this is a benefit actually've already 168 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:30.919 mentioned it, that that some folks that are listening and may not have is 169 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:35.789 that you have veteran sidewalk counselors that are there, that are there right besides 170 00:10:35.870 --> 00:10:39.269 you and you're able to listen to and and they're sort of coaching you along 171 00:10:39.509 --> 00:10:43.629 and encouraging you. And maybe not, you know, because one of the 172 00:10:43.669 --> 00:10:45.990 most intimidating things you can tell me whether or not I'm wrong, but I 173 00:10:46.029 --> 00:10:48.909 think I'm right about this, is the one on one conversation. YEA, 174 00:10:48.149 --> 00:10:50.980 not just the calling out, but the one on one conversations. And so 175 00:10:52.100 --> 00:10:54.500 a veteran sidewalk counsel if someone stops talk, you can kind of step in, 176 00:10:54.779 --> 00:10:58.419 yeah, and talk. That happened today. So yeah, in fact, 177 00:10:58.580 --> 00:11:03.500 and the the woman stopped for autumn and autumn started the conversation and I 178 00:11:03.779 --> 00:11:09.210 was instantly over there. We had talked about Ottoman. I that okay, 179 00:11:09.409 --> 00:11:11.610 Vicky will show up, because there will come a point at which just really 180 00:11:11.690 --> 00:11:15.970 doesn't know enough yet in terms of our resources. Yeah, that's so. 181 00:11:16.049 --> 00:11:18.399 I was right there within a few yeah, and that can be one of 182 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:22.960 the most intimidating things, the one on one conversations, and you know how 183 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:26.000 far you can go with the conversation, how you answer this question or that 184 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:28.919 question that concerned. And it's one of the reasons why on the sidewalks for 185 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:33.230 life website, a lot of folks don't know this, but in the I 186 00:11:33.309 --> 00:11:35.909 believe it's the join our community tab. If you click that and you scroll 187 00:11:35.990 --> 00:11:41.549 down on that page, there's actually a map there of sidewalk counselors all across 188 00:11:41.549 --> 00:11:43.669 the country, not necessarily sidewalks for life people or cities for life people, 189 00:11:43.750 --> 00:11:48.899 even people that we know. They're just people who somehow, through social media 190 00:11:48.940 --> 00:11:52.220 or whatever, if told us they do sidewalk counseling. So those who want 191 00:11:52.220 --> 00:11:54.740 to get involved with sidewalk counseling and want to have, you know, at 192 00:11:54.740 --> 00:12:00.299 least some veteran presence out there is helpful. Go on that map and check 193 00:12:00.340 --> 00:12:03.250 it out. But also it's one of the reasons why Vicky and me, 194 00:12:03.929 --> 00:12:07.250 and hopefully we'll get some other folks to start writing content to are trying to 195 00:12:07.370 --> 00:12:13.450 disciple people through blog posts, because those things experiences, sharing a story that 196 00:12:13.610 --> 00:12:16.279 you, Vicky, have encountered, even maybe autumn has encountered, sharing that 197 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:20.559 with somebody and how you worked through that a situation is encouraging. So that's 198 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:24.720 why we write those articles. Shameless plug in for the for that website, 199 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:28.120 because I think it is important as powerful. Well, Autumn today, when 200 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:33.309 and I took over, I think I'm talking about the same interaction. Maybe 201 00:12:33.309 --> 00:12:35.629 there were two that that this happened with, but I took over and talked 202 00:12:35.629 --> 00:12:41.629 with her for quite a while and as soon as I finished, Autumn asked 203 00:12:41.669 --> 00:12:45.019 me, what did you say? Yeah, so she wanted to hear so 204 00:12:45.139 --> 00:12:50.179 that she could then internalize that and decide. You know what felt like. 205 00:12:50.500 --> 00:12:54.179 We're thinks that she could use. Yeah, and didn't know. I felt 206 00:12:54.179 --> 00:12:58.019 like I asked a ton of questions because I'm I'm out there every day, 207 00:12:58.100 --> 00:13:01.889 so there's different people out there, obviously every day, and everyone's been really 208 00:13:01.929 --> 00:13:03.929 gracious, because sometimes I'll just stand there and I'll be quiet because I'm, 209 00:13:03.929 --> 00:13:07.330 like I said, my four lines and I'm not quite sure what's in us. 210 00:13:07.409 --> 00:13:11.570 And then someone who's experience will jump in and so I'll be like, 211 00:13:11.970 --> 00:13:13.960 if they're doing this, like how do you respond in this situation? Like 212 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:18.960 one time our girl did respond back to me kind of in she was upset, 213 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:22.519 obviously. Yeah, so I asked Daniel. I was like, when 214 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:26.559 they respond that way, how do I respond back in a loving way as 215 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:30.149 well? And so the people on the sidewalks have been very patient with me 216 00:13:30.350 --> 00:13:33.350 with all my questions that I've been asking, because I do want to learn 217 00:13:33.549 --> 00:13:37.230 something. I can be quick to read a situation well enough to be able 218 00:13:37.230 --> 00:13:43.179 to respond in the appropriate way that they have and yeah, so we did, 219 00:13:43.220 --> 00:13:46.539 I think the first I don't know you can tell me if I'm if 220 00:13:46.539 --> 00:13:48.940 I remembering correctly, but the first couple of days you were out, I 221 00:13:50.019 --> 00:13:52.740 think I'll put you at the driveway. Given that way to you. To 222 00:13:52.779 --> 00:13:54.929 Day. They're thing and they have anything work the driveway. I said, 223 00:13:54.929 --> 00:13:58.490 I don't know what that means, but all right, yeah, well, 224 00:13:58.529 --> 00:14:01.690 you know as it is. I can appreciate your willingness and you did a 225 00:14:01.730 --> 00:14:05.289 great job and up better at the main driveway offer in literature, and that's 226 00:14:05.289 --> 00:14:07.570 where people stop and want to talk. And I said, what did I 227 00:14:07.649 --> 00:14:09.809 tell you? I can't remember what I told you exactly. You just like 228 00:14:09.889 --> 00:14:11.320 sometimes you've got to be thrown in there. You know that tail learned and 229 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:16.080 I was like okay, because she came in. When there's coronavirus or teams 230 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:20.720 are small, I have an injured voice so I can't call out, so 231 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:22.679 I'll be standing behind on him sometimes saying to say that. Say this so 232 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:26.950 well, in the day before I hadn't talked at all because it was my 233 00:14:26.029 --> 00:14:28.549 first day and it was so busy and there was someone on the Rv so 234 00:14:28.590 --> 00:14:31.669 I like barely saw you. So I was like, I have no idea 235 00:14:31.750 --> 00:14:33.710 what to do and he was like just go stand at the driveway and I 236 00:14:33.830 --> 00:14:39.620 was like you, I'm going to do what? Don't you learn the in 237 00:14:39.860 --> 00:14:41.299 that? I mean, this is this is what people got to understand. 238 00:14:41.299 --> 00:14:46.860 This is a very intense spiritual battle. It is if you're coming into sidewalk 239 00:14:46.940 --> 00:14:50.580 counseling being, you know, whatever it maybe even, I'd say definitely pregnancy 240 00:14:50.580 --> 00:14:54.529 center ministry. When you're dealing with abortion, you're dealing with the very spiritual 241 00:14:54.090 --> 00:14:58.409 matter, and this is this is got to be a ministry. We got 242 00:14:58.490 --> 00:15:01.809 the business mentality, like we're running a business or something that out on the 243 00:15:01.850 --> 00:15:05.529 sidewalk is just completely thrown out of the windows. Right. We've got to 244 00:15:05.610 --> 00:15:09.799 learn to lean on the Lord, and so I helped you to do that. 245 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:16.919 Have you learned, though? I mean you're you're a godly young lady, 246 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:20.200 you love Jesus, you want to serve him, but do you think 247 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:24.509 in the past four weeks that you've learned at least a different dynamic, if 248 00:15:24.549 --> 00:15:30.830 not a more intense need to lean on the Lord, the trusted percent? 249 00:15:31.070 --> 00:15:33.870 Okay, it is way harder than I thought it was going to be here 250 00:15:35.230 --> 00:15:39.100 because, I mean, obviously I picked cities for life because I supported, 251 00:15:39.220 --> 00:15:43.980 I believe in the cause, and we, I mean we talked about abortion 252 00:15:43.019 --> 00:15:46.779 at my house all the time, at the dinner table. We talked about 253 00:15:46.779 --> 00:15:50.330 because my sister was heavily involved with love life. Yeah, and so it's 254 00:15:50.330 --> 00:15:52.529 a constant conversation we're always having. I know where I stand. I know 255 00:15:52.649 --> 00:15:56.450 the facts. I thought this will be a natural place for me to just 256 00:15:56.490 --> 00:16:00.450 jump on in because I already believe this. I already talked about this, 257 00:16:00.090 --> 00:16:06.679 but what I didn't realize is that I was having those conversations with people that 258 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:11.320 agreed with me, and even there are sometimes of people at school where all 259 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:14.279 have conversations about the Gospel where they may not agree and I've had to defend 260 00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:17.039 my faith. I've been to India, like in the slums of India, 261 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:21.389 sharing the Gospel. That is hard, yeah, but coming out here and 262 00:16:21.629 --> 00:16:25.590 being on the sidewalk, it is something that I've never experienced before. I 263 00:16:25.629 --> 00:16:30.230 feel like I am going to like war. Every day, my chest just 264 00:16:30.350 --> 00:16:33.659 feels super heavy. Yeah, every day, and my first week I left 265 00:16:33.700 --> 00:16:37.779 and I cried every day on my way home because it's I don't even know 266 00:16:37.820 --> 00:16:41.419 if I can adequately put into words how it feels once you're actually out there, 267 00:16:41.940 --> 00:16:45.139 because you can say it all day long, you agree, but then 268 00:16:45.179 --> 00:16:48.210 once you're put in that position and now you're trying to in a way, 269 00:16:48.490 --> 00:16:53.049 sort of convince those women that this is not the way, while being royal. 270 00:16:53.090 --> 00:16:56.889 There's a fence and there's trees in the security guards are laughing at you 271 00:16:56.289 --> 00:17:00.889 and I had to deal with any pro boards yet. Praise Jesus, but 272 00:17:00.169 --> 00:17:04.119 it's don't. Yeah, it's. That has been a blessing of acause I 273 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:08.400 was actually that they're not out there. But you are describing beautifully spiritual warfare, 274 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:14.000 right. You have experienced that more than any place else you've ever yeah, 275 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:17.670 yeah, even being in India, right, I didn't feel it as 276 00:17:18.150 --> 00:17:21.990 heavy as I did than being on a place like this, because, I 277 00:17:22.069 --> 00:17:25.509 mean, we live in America where it's okay to do this. So people 278 00:17:25.549 --> 00:17:27.990 are now being they're being taught from a young age that, as a woman, 279 00:17:29.069 --> 00:17:32.859 it's your right to do that. So on learning that and then trying 280 00:17:32.940 --> 00:17:36.579 to tell them and make them see that you're not coming out of place. 281 00:17:36.619 --> 00:17:40.859 I'm not yelling at you, like I genuinely just want you to love Jesus 282 00:17:40.980 --> 00:17:44.059 and want to choose life. And it's like, if there's so many things 283 00:17:44.099 --> 00:17:47.410 going through your mind and then feeling that way as well, I've been in 284 00:17:47.569 --> 00:17:51.890 my Bible so much and reaching on to my discipler so much and have all 285 00:17:51.930 --> 00:17:53.490 these people are praying for me, because I'm like, I would literally die 286 00:17:53.569 --> 00:17:57.130 if Jesus wasn't walking through this would because it's so heavy. Yeah, we 287 00:17:57.250 --> 00:18:00.240 knows. This one of the things that I see with folks who, you 288 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:03.599 know, I've been exposed to this type of ministry for about fifteen years now, 289 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:08.319 since two thousand and five, and I've seen some folks almost literally go 290 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:12.269 bunkers down their mind that are involved at abortion clinics and just go off the 291 00:18:12.349 --> 00:18:15.630 rails. And it's one of the reasons why I'll stress, and it's a 292 00:18:15.670 --> 00:18:18.950 requirement if you're going to volunteer with us, you've got to be a part 293 00:18:18.950 --> 00:18:21.869 of a local church. Yeah, you need that accountability, you need that 294 00:18:21.990 --> 00:18:23.589 encouragement, you need to be able to you know, you need to have 295 00:18:23.670 --> 00:18:30.460 mentors and people you can bounce things off of and unload on, because it's 296 00:18:30.500 --> 00:18:36.220 such an intense battle. It's it's such a it's so not normal for us 297 00:18:36.259 --> 00:18:40.140 to be in this sort of battle, especially in American Christianity, where a 298 00:18:40.220 --> 00:18:42.009 lot of the preaching and teaching is you know, how do you feel, 299 00:18:42.369 --> 00:18:45.450 and about you know, five ways to get your best life and all these 300 00:18:45.490 --> 00:18:48.490 other things. We're not tall. Yeah, sacrifice, lay your life down, 301 00:18:48.569 --> 00:18:52.490 speak on behalf of those that can't speak for themselves, at the risk 302 00:18:52.650 --> 00:18:56.640 of getting threatened or whatever. You know, it's it is pretty into yeah, 303 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:59.640 sure, and that's just talking about a abortion, which is which is 304 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:03.480 of course, the major focus of our ministry. But what leads to abortion 305 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:07.319 has to be addressed or they'll just be back. And so that's a whole 306 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:11.470 new layer that you probably haven't even really quite explored yet. But you know, 307 00:19:11.670 --> 00:19:15.549 talking about a God's message about sexual purity, because if it wasn't for 308 00:19:15.670 --> 00:19:18.950 sexual sin, Ninety nine percent of the abortions would not be happening. So 309 00:19:19.190 --> 00:19:23.420 you know, then there's all there is that gets added into the the the 310 00:19:23.619 --> 00:19:29.460 discomfort of sharing with complete strangers. Yes, you are involved in sexual sin 311 00:19:29.700 --> 00:19:33.500 which has led to this terrible place. So so the best is yet to 312 00:19:33.539 --> 00:19:38.089 come, in other words, all do you remember? I'm pretty sure I 313 00:19:38.210 --> 00:19:42.009 said this to you when you came and interviewed for the internship. I say 314 00:19:42.089 --> 00:19:45.329 this to probably, I think, all of our volunteers. I basically I 315 00:19:45.450 --> 00:19:48.769 make two promises. If you were coming, if you and I make a 316 00:19:48.809 --> 00:19:52.400 promise to anybody listening to this podcast, if you commit to come on to 317 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:57.039 the sidewalk on a consistent basis, two things are going to happen. God 318 00:19:57.119 --> 00:20:00.400 will use you to save babies. So that's going to happen. I'm just 319 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.519 telling you, even if you don't find out about it, I promise you, 320 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:06.200 if you stand in front of an abortion clinic and you reach out, 321 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:07.950 even if you don't see the fruit of it visually, when you stand before 322 00:20:07.990 --> 00:20:11.150 God, I promise you he's going to use you to say babies, because 323 00:20:11.190 --> 00:20:15.670 your voice is if your believer, your voice is effective. God is going 324 00:20:15.710 --> 00:20:21.190 to use you to say babies. And second promises you're going to grow spiritually 325 00:20:21.230 --> 00:20:25.059 in ways you otherwise would not grow. Have you found those two things to 326 00:20:25.099 --> 00:20:29.180 be true? Of the first one, I don't feel super confident yet, 327 00:20:29.259 --> 00:20:33.980 but I believe that you're right, because something that you told me when we 328 00:20:33.059 --> 00:20:37.609 were on the phone talking one day after this was that, like Jesus, 329 00:20:37.809 --> 00:20:42.690 I'm not responsible for the successes or the women of don'ts. I didn't know 330 00:20:42.690 --> 00:20:45.250 if that woman had chosen life right. I was feeling really bad because I 331 00:20:45.250 --> 00:20:48.329 thought I should have said more right, and so then I was thinking about 332 00:20:48.369 --> 00:20:52.559 what you said is, even if I don't see a single result, if 333 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:55.519 I never know, if no one ever comes and tells me that, because 334 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:57.480 what I said, Jesus gets all the glory for and then he tells me 335 00:20:57.559 --> 00:21:02.000 later in heaven, then that'll be so worth it. And that's been something 336 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:06.950 that's been hard to kind of wrap my mind around too and be okay with. 337 00:21:07.789 --> 00:21:11.430 Is when I do interact with somebody, if I don't say enough or 338 00:21:11.470 --> 00:21:14.309 if I said something that I shouldn't have said, then in my head I'm 339 00:21:14.309 --> 00:21:17.710 not beating myself up and I'm but then you told me those encouraging words. 340 00:21:17.950 --> 00:21:21.740 They decided to go in there and I did my part by being obedient to 341 00:21:21.859 --> 00:21:23.299 what Jesus has called me to do. Yeah, and that's one of those 342 00:21:23.420 --> 00:21:27.460 that that's a another aspect of spiritual warfare. Yeah, so that it, 343 00:21:27.700 --> 00:21:32.140 you know, in this is another thing that we encourage the volunteers with, 344 00:21:32.660 --> 00:21:34.690 is that the devil's going to eat your lunch, or at least try to, 345 00:21:36.329 --> 00:21:37.329 when you could. You've been out there on the sidewalk, you've poured 346 00:21:37.329 --> 00:21:41.289 your heart out and then you know you've pulled your heart out, maybe even 347 00:21:41.289 --> 00:21:44.210 one and one, to a woman who's pulled over on the side of the 348 00:21:44.210 --> 00:21:48.359 hood and she's gone into that abortion clinic and the devil later on that day, 349 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:49.640 when you leave or whatever, is going to be all you should have 350 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:52.079 said this well, you should have said that all. You didn't do this. 351 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:56.880 You can't do that just right. No one can say everything that needs 352 00:21:56.920 --> 00:22:00.640 to be said. We just have to make ourselves available to be vessels of 353 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:04.309 the Lord, to speak the truth to them. You can say even if 354 00:22:04.349 --> 00:22:10.910 you knew everything exactly to say perfectly, you could say everything exactly perfectly and 355 00:22:11.109 --> 00:22:12.869 still she might go in there and have an abortion. Right. Well, 356 00:22:12.910 --> 00:22:17.220 we've had women, and I think we've shared this on the podcast before, 357 00:22:17.299 --> 00:22:19.099 one young lady who went on the mobile ultra sound unit. And it's about 358 00:22:19.579 --> 00:22:23.099 ninety ninety five percent of the women that go on that mobile unit will choose 359 00:22:23.099 --> 00:22:26.980 life for their bags. But this young lady, this couple of years ago, 360 00:22:26.980 --> 00:22:30.490 the mom of twins, eighteen week old twins, went on the mobile 361 00:22:30.490 --> 00:22:32.730 unit parked right in front of the abortion clinic. She went on there, 362 00:22:33.210 --> 00:22:37.049 she saw her babies perfectly. Eighteen weeks old, you can tell one whether 363 00:22:37.049 --> 00:22:41.490 or not they're little boys little girl. Yeah, every need she had was 364 00:22:41.569 --> 00:22:45.960 answered with some corresponding resource. You know, housing, need all here it 365 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:49.200 is, Free Prenatal Care, AH, here it is. All of that 366 00:22:49.279 --> 00:22:53.880 stuff was answered and yet she walked right off that mobile unit. Rite another 367 00:22:53.960 --> 00:22:59.950 abortion clinic and killed those two right eighteen week old baby and for the nurse, 368 00:23:00.549 --> 00:23:04.390 for the counselor devastating. Yeah, and the Devil speaking his lies. 369 00:23:04.509 --> 00:23:07.390 Oh, you should have did this, you should have did that, and 370 00:23:07.750 --> 00:23:12.380 you've gotta come to the point, and this is where your growth in the 371 00:23:12.460 --> 00:23:15.779 Lord and just learned to lean on the Lord, is where you come to 372 00:23:15.819 --> 00:23:18.259 the point and say, devil, I am not receiving you your lies. 373 00:23:18.779 --> 00:23:22.140 I did what God call me to do. I was a voice for those 374 00:23:22.180 --> 00:23:26.769 babies. Maybe I didn't say everything exactly right, but I said what God 375 00:23:26.809 --> 00:23:30.450 to put on my heart to say and it was up to them, you 376 00:23:30.529 --> 00:23:33.769 know, and that's that's the reality. It's up to that mom and you 377 00:23:33.890 --> 00:23:36.210 gave you the right thing. You gave all you had at that moment. 378 00:23:36.369 --> 00:23:40.369 Yeah, and accept that then. So so we've heard a lot of struggles 379 00:23:40.529 --> 00:23:45.559 and at this point there may be listeners thinking, why is anybody because I'm 380 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:49.039 sure not going there. Are there? Are there any like reboards? Oh, 381 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:53.319 I think this has been one of the most beautiful experiences I've ever had. 382 00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:59.829 Talk about that please, because listeners are, I think every Christian, 383 00:24:00.150 --> 00:24:03.150 you know, they always say like every person should work in some sort of 384 00:24:03.190 --> 00:24:06.470 food service and then know how to treat service workers. Yeah, I think 385 00:24:06.549 --> 00:24:08.990 every single Christian in the world should come out and spend at least a week 386 00:24:10.059 --> 00:24:12.619 out here. Yeah, we said that way because you have so many people 387 00:24:12.660 --> 00:24:15.140 that are like, Oh, yeah, I'm pro life, of course, 388 00:24:15.180 --> 00:24:18.500 until it comes down to it, and I think being out there on the 389 00:24:18.539 --> 00:24:22.900 sidewalk, it's definitely gonna show your true colors of whether or not you really 390 00:24:22.940 --> 00:24:27.809 do stand for this or not. And I mean even though like art came 391 00:24:27.970 --> 00:24:32.609 in, like being pro life, this is just opened I feel like the 392 00:24:32.650 --> 00:24:36.089 veils been ripped from my eyes again. There are people that do want to 393 00:24:36.130 --> 00:24:38.319 help and there are so many resources that I didn't even know about that you 394 00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:42.480 guys can provide for women, and there are people on the sidewalks that genuinely 395 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:47.079 love all these women that are going in there. And even with the music 396 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:48.880 playing that you guys have out there, I feel like it. I just 397 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.559 spend so much time in prayer and I feel like that's where I struggle the 398 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:55.710 most. My own personal life is in prayer, like sitting down and doing 399 00:24:55.789 --> 00:24:59.269 it, but being out there when there's when it's just quiet because they've all 400 00:24:59.309 --> 00:25:02.990 gone inside and there's no more people sitting in their cars. I've poured out 401 00:25:03.150 --> 00:25:04.950 to God being right, please God, and so I feel like that has 402 00:25:04.990 --> 00:25:08.779 helped me grow so much too, just being so dependent on him, because, 403 00:25:08.819 --> 00:25:11.859 I mean, I can't go in there, I can't cross the line 404 00:25:11.859 --> 00:25:15.740 of already got yelled at once, yeah, stepping over there on to the 405 00:25:15.779 --> 00:25:19.180 property right. Yeah, I just got a hundred percent that whatever happens in 406 00:25:19.220 --> 00:25:25.049 there, like he's sovereign and he's in control. And and then being so 407 00:25:25.250 --> 00:25:27.930 encouraged by the women on the sidewalks and you guys. Having Christian community, 408 00:25:27.970 --> 00:25:33.289 yes, so important as well. Some of the deepest relationships that that I 409 00:25:33.769 --> 00:25:37.279 have in my life have been forged out there on the side of text because, 410 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:41.119 you know, the deepest relationships are oftentimes forged in battle. Yeah, 411 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:44.880 it's a real battle. Yeah, I want to talk about something, Ottoman. 412 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:48.440 You know, I'm just throw the question out there, like, okay, 413 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:51.269 I'm not trying to be accusatory, certainly not towards you, but towards 414 00:25:51.269 --> 00:25:53.269 the women that we minister to primaries, when I'm talking aboutcause there's a mentality 415 00:25:53.589 --> 00:25:56.789 and you may have come in with this mentality and I tried to tear it 416 00:25:56.869 --> 00:25:59.589 down as quick as I could so that you didn't get discouraged. Yeah, 417 00:25:59.950 --> 00:26:03.789 when you came and interviewed for the internship. But there's a mentality that a 418 00:26:03.829 --> 00:26:06.940 lot of Christians have that women that come to an abortion clinic are just victims 419 00:26:07.299 --> 00:26:11.220 and they're just poor, innocent little victims and we just need to be there 420 00:26:11.299 --> 00:26:15.420 just just to love them. And that's not untrue and I'm no way implying 421 00:26:15.460 --> 00:26:17.980 that there aren't women that come. There are victims. Ultimately, we did 422 00:26:17.980 --> 00:26:19.930 a whole podcast about this. But how women are not victims, but they 423 00:26:19.970 --> 00:26:22.890 are. Yeah, did you come with that mentality that these are just poor 424 00:26:23.130 --> 00:26:27.650 women that are victims of circumstances and I'm going to say the world, by 425 00:26:27.849 --> 00:26:33.000 coming out there? No, okay, again, just because we have this, 426 00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:36.839 this constant conversation my household, I feel like that's kind of helped. 427 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:41.640 But something that I've noticed, I feel like a lot of it is just 428 00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:45.279 to take away human responsibility. Okay, because I've seen like so many people 429 00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:49.869 just come in and like they're laughing as they walk in or joking as they 430 00:26:49.950 --> 00:26:53.509 come out or just not having a care in the world about what's going on. 431 00:26:55.150 --> 00:26:57.589 Bringing there McDonald's into the parking I gets almost like you're just waiting to 432 00:26:57.630 --> 00:27:02.539 get your nails done, so nonchalant. Yeah, and so, I mean 433 00:27:02.579 --> 00:27:07.220 I genuinely there was a woman last week that I genuinely believe that she was 434 00:27:07.299 --> 00:27:11.180 in a horrible situation, something horrible had happened to her and she she felt 435 00:27:11.180 --> 00:27:15.099 like this was her only option. Yeah, but what I've seen a lot 436 00:27:15.460 --> 00:27:21.130 is that this is just a way to take away the human responsibility of my 437 00:27:21.410 --> 00:27:25.410 personal actions, like I want to have the fun without the consequence. Yeah, 438 00:27:25.490 --> 00:27:27.009 and this will get rid of the consequence. Yes, and the reason 439 00:27:27.049 --> 00:27:30.880 why I ask that question is because a lot of people, from the outside 440 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:33.119 looking in. Any I had this mentality. You know, the women that 441 00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:36.240 come to an abortion clinic. I mean for them it's got to be an 442 00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:40.519 extreme thing, it must be some big time issue going on in their lives. 443 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:42.400 When you're out there on the sidewalk, you quickly find these are not 444 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:48.390 poor little innocent victims just waiting for your help. They're venomous, they hate 445 00:27:48.390 --> 00:27:49.789 your guts, they want they want to rip your head off and they're going 446 00:27:49.789 --> 00:27:52.950 to kill their baby and they don't give a rip what you say. They 447 00:27:52.990 --> 00:27:56.710 don't care what God says. That's probably the majority. Yeah, and it's 448 00:27:56.750 --> 00:28:00.619 not that God doesn't want to reach those people. He does, and we've 449 00:28:00.660 --> 00:28:02.940 seen him do it so many times. I mean I think of a woman 450 00:28:02.980 --> 00:28:07.140 who came to the abortion clinic five different times and I think the third or 451 00:28:07.180 --> 00:28:10.779 fourth time she came, I was actually calling out to her and I was 452 00:28:10.819 --> 00:28:12.210 saying, Hey, we're here to offer help. You don't want to go 453 00:28:12.210 --> 00:28:15.049 in there and take the life of your baby, and she said if I 454 00:28:15.049 --> 00:28:17.809 could spit this baby out of my mouth right now on the sidewalk, I 455 00:28:17.930 --> 00:28:21.450 would. I was like, Oh God, how wicked. Yeah, but 456 00:28:22.410 --> 00:28:25.170 she couldn't have an abortion that day. For whatever reason. She came back 457 00:28:25.289 --> 00:28:29.279 that fifth time, fourth or fifth time or whatever, and the mobile unit 458 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:30.720 was out there and she said, you know what, I'm just going to 459 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.640 go in there and see what see what they have to say, and she 460 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:37.079 ended up choosing life for a baby. So God can save all kinds of 461 00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:38.759 people, right, right, he does. Yeah, but some folks again 462 00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:41.430 might come with this mentality of these you just pour victims, and if you 463 00:28:41.470 --> 00:28:45.589 come with that mentality on the sidewalk you're going to quickly either you're going to 464 00:28:45.630 --> 00:28:49.069 get burned and leave not come back, or your attitude is going to change 465 00:28:49.109 --> 00:28:52.109 and get very, very bitter. Yeah, you'll get bitter. Or, 466 00:28:52.390 --> 00:28:56.140 you know, you allow the Lord to give you his perspective. You know, 467 00:28:56.660 --> 00:29:00.619 God's perspective is, you know, all the humanity is lost, dead 468 00:29:00.740 --> 00:29:04.460 in our trespasses and sins, separated from him. We're all rebels against him 469 00:29:06.180 --> 00:29:08.819 and he comes to US fourth rightly confronts us in our sin, but he 470 00:29:08.940 --> 00:29:11.730 does it out of love. And so I think the Lord teaches us to 471 00:29:11.730 --> 00:29:15.569 do that, to be forth right, to confront sin, but to do 472 00:29:15.690 --> 00:29:19.690 it with compassion, because you can come and confront sin and do it without 473 00:29:19.809 --> 00:29:22.890 compassion, almost like, you know, with some folks, mentality is, 474 00:29:23.049 --> 00:29:26.440 you know, I'm better than them and therefore I can set them straight, 475 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.480 and that's a bad mentality to have. But you can also come with an 476 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.759 attitude of these are just poor, innocent victims, and that's that's not going 477 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:36.359 to work for you either. So some kind of balance there, the Lord 478 00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:38.869 teaches you. That's why clinging to the Lord, getting in his word, 479 00:29:40.390 --> 00:29:47.430 getting his heart is is Mooe importante. Yes, Spanish for very got it. 480 00:29:48.509 --> 00:29:52.789 So we're there. Were there things that now you've been out there for 481 00:29:52.829 --> 00:29:57.579 a month, that were misconceptions from the beginning, that now you really have 482 00:29:57.740 --> 00:30:03.339 come to have a deeper understanding of what really happens out there. I don't 483 00:30:03.380 --> 00:30:08.490 know. I I think I again, I just thought that it was going 484 00:30:08.529 --> 00:30:15.569 to be a lot easier than what it is and I guess I just didn't 485 00:30:15.569 --> 00:30:21.130 realize how much the volunteers to. I don't know, because I never thought 486 00:30:21.329 --> 00:30:23.640 when other people say, because when I tell people that I work for you 487 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:26.680 guys. Now, though, it's what you just stand out there and the 488 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:29.039 yell at women are do you actually help women? And I'm I don't know. 489 00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.599 I person I haven't met anybody that stands out there and like yells at 490 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:38.789 women. So when people have that that misconceptions. Yeah, I'm always really 491 00:30:38.789 --> 00:30:41.990 confused by that. And I know that, like you read about the Westboro 492 00:30:42.150 --> 00:30:45.549 Baptist Church. That, yeah, test stuff. And but like, I 493 00:30:45.589 --> 00:30:48.990 follow Jeff Durban a lot and watch a lot of his stuff and he's always 494 00:30:49.019 --> 00:30:52.180 so peaceful when he talks to people. And then seeing guys out there, 495 00:30:52.299 --> 00:30:56.420 I never have had that mentality that you guys are out there to do that. 496 00:30:57.099 --> 00:31:00.819 So and then being out there just kind of confirmed that. Yeah, 497 00:31:00.859 --> 00:31:03.980 that's what guys were there to do. Yeah, again, I just thought. 498 00:31:04.049 --> 00:31:07.650 And then, being an intern, I thought I wouldn't be yes involved, 499 00:31:07.690 --> 00:31:11.250 which is totally fine. It's helped me grow so much and so and 500 00:31:11.329 --> 00:31:12.250 if that's what you guys need me to do, I'm willing to do that. 501 00:31:12.289 --> 00:31:17.170 It's just, I don't know, there's just so much more help. 502 00:31:17.210 --> 00:31:18.960 I guess that you guys are providing them. My thought, I guess, 503 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:22.279 yeah, yeah, I don't know if it's yeah, no, that's good, 504 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:27.319 that that's I I wonder where that miss perception comes from, because when 505 00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:30.960 there it comes from the time, comes from from media sources who are not 506 00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:36.230 favorable towards us. You know, I've seen that too, because the article 507 00:31:36.309 --> 00:31:37.829 that they just put out about you that we were reading, yeah, I 508 00:31:37.869 --> 00:31:41.230 he needed the fact check. is stuff seeing on a smaller scale of what 509 00:31:41.349 --> 00:31:47.220 the media can do. And then if I wasn't pro life and thought it 510 00:31:47.339 --> 00:31:51.460 was okay reading that, I would just confirm right my thoughts. And so, 511 00:31:51.619 --> 00:31:55.259 like you, going out here and seeing what you guys are actually there's 512 00:31:55.259 --> 00:31:59.259 a mentality that and it's the media that puts this mentality and then Christians, 513 00:31:59.299 --> 00:32:00.529 we just, you know, people read stuff and they just sort to take 514 00:32:00.609 --> 00:32:04.250 the bait. But you know, we're protesters. Yeah, you know, 515 00:32:04.369 --> 00:32:06.769 we're just out there to protest, which we're going to do a podcast to 516 00:32:06.849 --> 00:32:09.809 be exactly which is out there protest. was like, no, we're not. 517 00:32:10.130 --> 00:32:14.890 I'm not protesting anything. I'm out here offering help to women that are 518 00:32:14.890 --> 00:32:17.000 going into the abortion clinic and share in the Gospel with them. You can 519 00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:20.920 put it wherever label you want on it. We're not protests and we're not 520 00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:23.640 walking back and forth with picking signs and saying no more abortion. You know 521 00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:27.680 whatever. We're not trying to appeal to the government. We're trying to appeal 522 00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:30.470 to women going into the abortion clinic not to kill their babies and offer them 523 00:32:30.549 --> 00:32:34.950 help. And you know that. Again, a lot of folks don't either 524 00:32:35.029 --> 00:32:38.710 don't want to see that or just haven't bothered to dig into it, because 525 00:32:38.750 --> 00:32:43.349 we get those those on facebook all the time. We get questions you guys 526 00:32:43.349 --> 00:32:46.940 actually help the women after they choose life, and I'm like, have you 527 00:32:47.099 --> 00:32:52.579 looked at our facebook page? Have you looked at our website, the myriad 528 00:32:52.660 --> 00:32:57.180 of ministries that we partner with and the stories that we share on a regular 529 00:32:57.259 --> 00:33:01.329 basis of how we've went from the abortion clinic to stories where they we've seen 530 00:33:01.529 --> 00:33:06.009 people get married and help them get housing and help them get vehicles. is 531 00:33:06.089 --> 00:33:07.690 like all these things. Yeah, so, yeah, thankfully you came in 532 00:33:07.849 --> 00:33:12.289 sort of understanding all of that stuff. Yeah. Well, something else that 533 00:33:12.369 --> 00:33:15.079 I've learned while being out here, and you asked me this and my interview 534 00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:19.599 was, even if we didn't provide all this stuff, would it's still be 535 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:21.720 okay for us to be on good? That was the next thing I was 536 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:23.920 going to ask if you changed or do you what are your thoughts about that? 537 00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:27.589 Yeah, so, like my first thought was, I mean absolutely the 538 00:33:27.670 --> 00:33:30.509 people shouldn't murder their kids. Yeah, but even now, being out here, 539 00:33:30.710 --> 00:33:35.950 I like firmly believe that even if I gave you nothing, yeah, 540 00:33:36.109 --> 00:33:38.630 you're still voluntarily walking in there to take the life of your Chib. If 541 00:33:38.630 --> 00:33:42.460 you were taking a one year old in there, there would be way more 542 00:33:42.500 --> 00:33:45.779 people out here. But because it's inside the womb, people want to justify 543 00:33:45.819 --> 00:33:47.539 it, to make it different, but it's still the same. It's still 544 00:33:47.539 --> 00:33:52.539 a child, it's just a little younger. And so even if I had 545 00:33:52.619 --> 00:33:54.579 nothing to give you, I still have the right to tell you that you, 546 00:33:54.730 --> 00:33:57.569 yeah, take the lack. Yeah, it's not just the right of 547 00:33:57.650 --> 00:34:00.769 the RESPONSIBI. Yeah, yeah, the biblical Mand yes, yeah, to 548 00:34:00.849 --> 00:34:06.529 speak those you can't speak for themselves. So I really yeah that now. 549 00:34:06.609 --> 00:34:10.199 Yeah. Well, so, I mean we're we're thirty plus minutes into this 550 00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:13.800 thing, so I think we're about ready to wrap this up. As long 551 00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.920 as you're yeah, yeah, Autumn, questioning autumn. You've been great. 552 00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:22.159 We have a used yeah, really a blessing. And and just from a 553 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.869 practical standpoint, just all that you do behind the scenes, which we really 554 00:34:25.869 --> 00:34:29.989 didn't talk about at all, but though you you're doing all of those things, 555 00:34:29.989 --> 00:34:31.269 to setting up the equipment, all that. That has been such a 556 00:34:31.550 --> 00:34:37.269 blessing to us. But then for you to do what you did, coming 557 00:34:37.309 --> 00:34:42.539 in every day for now four weeks and you've been on a crash course of 558 00:34:42.619 --> 00:34:45.940 how to be a sidebaught counselor, and you are really good and you round 559 00:34:46.099 --> 00:34:50.699 so much. It's made me think that maybe this should be our regular volunteer 560 00:34:50.980 --> 00:34:52.610 protocol, you know, throw them in for a whole month. Amen. 561 00:34:52.730 --> 00:34:58.530 Yeah, day might run a lot of away. I'm saying that happened to 562 00:34:58.769 --> 00:35:01.570 but we are so appreciative you've been fantastic. Yeah, I'm happy to be 563 00:35:01.650 --> 00:35:05.250 here, but yeah, well, I'll say though, you memory. I 564 00:35:05.289 --> 00:35:07.119 said I made those two promises to everyone. Got We use you to say 565 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.119 babies. You're going to grow. So you've already shared. You've grown and 566 00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:15.519 I've seen, listen, I've seen women that you've handed out literature to leave 567 00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:17.559 out of that abortion Clin of God has usual to say babies with. Yeah, 568 00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:21.079 and it's kind of like our body of Christ podcast that we do have. 569 00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:23.190 A body of Christ works together. Somebody hands out literature, somebody else 570 00:35:23.230 --> 00:35:28.070 calls out, somebody else ministers to on the mobile ultrasound unit. All of 571 00:35:28.269 --> 00:35:31.190 this is the body of Christ working together ultimately to glorify Jesus. But God 572 00:35:31.349 --> 00:35:35.590 uses that to say babies. God has hues that whole body. Yeah, 573 00:35:35.590 --> 00:35:37.219 absolutely. So, as we read this thing up, is there anything, 574 00:35:37.340 --> 00:35:42.980 autumn, that you would say to someone who has fear and anxiety about going 575 00:35:43.059 --> 00:35:45.380 out to an abortion clinic? And is there anything you would say to them 576 00:35:45.539 --> 00:35:50.289 to encourage them to step out in faith and do that? Or maybe you 577 00:35:50.530 --> 00:35:53.969 just warn them don't do it? Well, no, Um, I hate 578 00:35:54.050 --> 00:35:58.769 confrontation more than anything. I don't like being mean to people. I don't 579 00:35:58.769 --> 00:36:01.210 like them being mean to me, and so for me to step out and 580 00:36:01.369 --> 00:36:06.519 do this has been crazy. Yeah, and so I think if I can 581 00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:08.559 do it, then anybody can, and not just that we can, I 582 00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:14.880 think everyone should. And so if we're going to claim to know the Lord 583 00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:19.989 and to pick up our crosses and to die to ourselves and to follow him 584 00:36:20.230 --> 00:36:22.349 and to live like how he lives, I think, like you guys said, 585 00:36:22.349 --> 00:36:27.829 we have a biblical responsibility. We're spiritually held accountable to be out there, 586 00:36:27.909 --> 00:36:30.269 and so if you want to step out in faith and be obedient to 587 00:36:30.349 --> 00:36:34.460 that, I think this is one of the perfect places yes, start. 588 00:36:34.539 --> 00:36:37.099 Yeah, man, and so I would encourage anybody to come out here and 589 00:36:38.019 --> 00:36:43.099 to to definitely just sit and listen first, yeah, and just see what 590 00:36:43.219 --> 00:36:45.900 it's about. But then I have to really tell myself. I'm like, 591 00:36:45.019 --> 00:36:47.250 okay, you just had to do it. Yeah, because that first time, 592 00:36:47.329 --> 00:36:50.250 like call out, you get a little anxious and you're like Oh, 593 00:36:50.650 --> 00:36:53.690 but you just gotta swallow your pride and and do it. And then when 594 00:36:53.690 --> 00:36:58.050 I leave here I'm like, I'm really glad that I didn't let the fear 595 00:36:58.289 --> 00:37:02.199 take over my mind and control my word. So could encouragement. Yeah very 596 00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:05.599 much, and so I do want to encourage those who are listening. You 597 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:07.719 know, we do have the sidewalks for life websites, I walks in number 598 00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:12.199 four lifecom, with articles that we put out. We have videos out there, 599 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.710 training videos. We're going to continue to produce content and put things out 600 00:37:15.710 --> 00:37:19.070 there as we're able. Also, you know, maybe you're listening and you're 601 00:37:19.110 --> 00:37:22.429 from California or you're listening from wherever. Maybe you're from the Charlotte area. 602 00:37:22.909 --> 00:37:27.389 We'd be more than willing to have you out there on the sidewalk. Maybe 603 00:37:27.389 --> 00:37:30.460 you want to fly in from California or drive in because you don't want to 604 00:37:30.460 --> 00:37:34.460 be the airplane right now because of the coronavirus or whatever, and you want 605 00:37:34.460 --> 00:37:36.780 to stay in town for a couple of days and come out and shadow our 606 00:37:36.820 --> 00:37:38.300 teams. We've had people do that. We've had people from as far away 607 00:37:38.340 --> 00:37:45.250 as Ohio and other states that are seeing what we're doing online on social media 608 00:37:45.289 --> 00:37:47.250 and they see what God's doing through this ministry and they come and they shadow 609 00:37:47.289 --> 00:37:51.130 us. If you want to do that, reach out to me De Parks 610 00:37:51.130 --> 00:37:53.489 at cities for lifecom. We'll we'll set that up and make it happen. 611 00:37:53.690 --> 00:37:57.250 You know, we'd love to. You know, I don't think think that 612 00:37:57.329 --> 00:38:00.159 we have it all figured out, but I think by God's grace, we've 613 00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:01.800 worked through a lot of it. So We'd love to have you come in 614 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:07.360 town and we actually have toyed with the idea of doing some kind of conference 615 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:12.909 here in Charlotte and doing some training, sort of a real small many conference. 616 00:38:12.989 --> 00:38:15.309 We've kicked that idea around. The coronavirus is a lot of stuff, 617 00:38:15.829 --> 00:38:20.269 but but I would say in the future we will definitely do something like that. 618 00:38:20.630 --> 00:38:22.550 Be Watching on social media in the coming months for us to put something 619 00:38:22.630 --> 00:38:27.260 out for us putting that together. If you have any questions for me, 620 00:38:27.300 --> 00:38:30.219 D parks, cities for lifecom, any questions for Vicky v CASSIE ORG at 621 00:38:30.260 --> 00:38:35.219 cities for Lifecom, we'd love to answer your questions. Appreciate if you would 622 00:38:35.219 --> 00:38:37.340 share this podcast for other people. Appreciate you listening. Until next time, 623 00:38:37.420 --> 00:38:54.010 God bless our love for love. Give me our love for gratitude. I 624 00:38:54.329 --> 00:39:04.719 know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious and some you