A Fresh Perspective On Sidewalk Counseling

WEBVTT100:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me,200:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.109Lord. Welcome to the Gospel Centerpray life podcast. There's a lot of300:00:10.189 --> 00:00:13.509expectations of what it's like to beon the sidewalk in front of an abortion400:00:13.630 --> 00:00:17.149center. This episode we talked withour intern autumn, about what it felt500:00:17.149 --> 00:00:20.230like for her and we thought herperspective would be a blessing to you.600:00:20.510 --> 00:00:35.619Stay tuned. I felt show Passitouch your heart. Welcome to the Gospel700:00:35.619 --> 00:00:39.130Center pray life podcast. We're gladto be able to be with you and800:00:39.289 --> 00:00:43.090just share from our hearts some ofthe things that Lord has put on our900:00:43.170 --> 00:00:47.530hearts and today we really want tohave a podcast that will help some of1000:00:47.570 --> 00:00:51.359you folks who are hearing about whatwe're doing with cities for life and what1100:00:51.439 --> 00:00:55.320other people are doing at abortion clinics. Although this podcast is not just about1200:00:55.399 --> 00:00:59.560sidewalk counseling, it's a lot ofwhat we focus on and the perspective we're1300:00:59.560 --> 00:01:02.880coming from, and some of youguys are may be interested and get involved.1400:01:02.920 --> 00:01:04.709Maybe you have been involved, butthere can be some barriers. You1500:01:04.790 --> 00:01:07.670know, we hear from a lotof folks that want to be involved on1600:01:07.750 --> 00:01:10.510the sidewalk and there's a lot ofunknowns, there's a lot of you,1700:01:10.829 --> 00:01:15.590scariness of doing something new and somethingoutside of your comfort zone. So we1800:01:15.750 --> 00:01:19.219thought that we would bring a gueston who has had that experience in the1900:01:19.260 --> 00:01:23.859past couple of weeks. Who isour intern the cities for life. Yeah,2000:01:23.900 --> 00:01:26.859she's done a great job. Autumn, Autumn Lowery, who's been with2100:01:26.900 --> 00:01:30.099us. You've been, I'm ministering, with us for for a couple of2200:01:30.180 --> 00:01:33.849weeks now. How long? Thisis my fourth week, Fourth Week Minister2300:01:33.969 --> 00:01:37.290with it now. You had beenout on the sidewalk before when you were2400:01:37.370 --> 00:01:41.209younger with a church group that cameout and so you kind of had an2500:01:41.250 --> 00:01:46.930idea of what goes on out there, but you really never experienced it from2600:01:46.930 --> 00:01:51.519that perspective until just about four weeksago. Yes, so we wanted to2700:01:51.560 --> 00:01:55.120have autumn on guys so that wecould kind of, you know, get2800:01:55.200 --> 00:01:57.519some of the the the questions thatyou guys have answered, some of the2900:01:57.599 --> 00:02:01.790anxiety that you feel. Maybe wecan help calm some of that and encourage3000:02:01.829 --> 00:02:04.909you to be out there on thesidewalk, you know, just to take3100:02:04.950 --> 00:02:08.669a step of faith to do thehard ministry of being on the sidewalk.3200:02:08.870 --> 00:02:13.830It's misunderstood. Even in Christian circles. People don't understand why you're out there.3300:02:13.870 --> 00:02:15.699So that's one of the fears.But just in your mind, maybe3400:02:15.740 --> 00:02:21.939you misunderstand what sidewalk counseling is andwhat you know, what it feels like3500:02:22.060 --> 00:02:23.979to be out there. So we'regoing to just talk with autumn a little3600:02:23.979 --> 00:02:28.979bit and hopefully this conversation will bea conversation with you as well as you're3700:02:29.020 --> 00:02:31.050listening. Yeah, and in calmsome of the fears that you have.3800:02:31.490 --> 00:02:36.050Yeah, yeah, so I'll askYou, autumn, as you came,3900:02:36.169 --> 00:02:38.889because you reached out to me onemail and ask about interning with us.4000:02:39.129 --> 00:02:45.159You're at North Greenville, yes universitythere, and you needed an internship.4100:02:45.240 --> 00:02:47.039That's part of your your school inthere, and so he reached out to4200:02:47.080 --> 00:02:52.560me about coming out and I saidAh, fresh me fun. We were4300:02:52.639 --> 00:02:57.240so excited. You don't know whatshe's getting into. Yeah, what were4400:02:57.280 --> 00:03:00.389your thoughts? Like kind of Iknow I asked you this when we interview4500:03:00.469 --> 00:03:02.389you for the internship, like whatdo you think we do? But before4600:03:02.469 --> 00:03:06.590you came out on the sidewalk,Whoa, what were your thoughts? So4700:03:06.710 --> 00:03:08.349what SID Walk Counseling. He iswhat cities for life does. What was4800:03:08.389 --> 00:03:13.460going through your mind? Well,I think I maybe had a little bit4900:03:14.099 --> 00:03:17.819of a different perspective just because Ihave been coming out with my church since5000:03:17.939 --> 00:03:22.860like the sixth grade, but Ihad never talked on the trobe drive until5100:03:22.900 --> 00:03:24.659I started working for you guys.We'd always come out just to pray.5200:03:24.659 --> 00:03:29.169Yeah, so I actually didn't knowI was going to be as involved on5300:03:29.250 --> 00:03:31.849the sidewalks as I am just beingan intern. I thought I was going5400:03:31.889 --> 00:03:35.610to do a lot more, maybebehind the scene stuff. So when you5500:03:35.650 --> 00:03:38.090guys told me that I was goingto be more on the sidewalk, I5600:03:38.129 --> 00:03:40.129went home and told Ashley. Iwas like I'm gonna cry. It's like5700:03:40.250 --> 00:03:46.000that's so intimidating. Again, I'venever said a word on this street before5800:03:46.120 --> 00:03:49.759now, like and I didn't knowthat you guys called out as much as5900:03:49.840 --> 00:03:53.199you did, I guess, becausewhen I had come out with my youth6000:03:53.280 --> 00:03:55.229group it was just one person likeon a mic talking, and so I6100:03:55.349 --> 00:04:00.150thought that's majority. I didn't know. I thought like maybe the Sidewalk Council6200:04:00.310 --> 00:04:02.669just sat there and waited. Someonecame out and did but just flock to6300:04:02.789 --> 00:04:05.509them. Yeah, I guess that'swhat I thought, you know, living6400:04:05.509 --> 00:04:09.469in America, right. So thatbut like and then pless. You knew6500:04:09.550 --> 00:04:14.860we were such wonderful people and you'reexactly see their places. You'd want to6600:04:14.939 --> 00:04:17.060cling to that. And then onSaturdays, I've never been out doing the6700:04:17.100 --> 00:04:20.300week and on Saturday is it justthere's so much going on, it's so6800:04:20.379 --> 00:04:24.730hectic. It's hard to see everything, guys going on. And then with6900:04:24.810 --> 00:04:27.329the proports being out there, Ifeel like that's where a lot of my7000:04:27.449 --> 00:04:30.129tension roles go, because it's justyou don't see that like a target,7100:04:30.290 --> 00:04:34.769you know. Right. So Idefinitely didn't know that I would be talking7200:04:34.850 --> 00:04:41.680as much as I have been,and that has been very challenging and very7300:04:41.839 --> 00:04:44.560scary. So, yeah, butyeah, in fact terrifying, I guess7400:04:44.680 --> 00:04:48.480from the the ECO Turre, wehad no clue. Right. I'm sorry,7500:04:49.360 --> 00:04:53.870very sorry. It's great. Listen, you need that. You need7600:04:53.990 --> 00:04:57.189to be put out and we reallydid sort of put her out there.7700:04:57.230 --> 00:05:00.069We did. Hey, you wantto intern with us? We have a7800:05:00.189 --> 00:05:04.149job for you. Yeah, butin our defense, when you were initially7900:05:04.230 --> 00:05:10.699talking to us, coronavirus had notyet quite appeared, or if it yeah,8000:05:10.819 --> 00:05:14.100it hadn't at least crossed over toour country and all of a sudden8100:05:14.100 --> 00:05:16.620here we are with the with,you know, all these new restrictions.8200:05:16.660 --> 00:05:20.060We have no idea how we're goingto navigate that, but we didn't want8300:05:20.060 --> 00:05:24.250to lose our journey. Well,even when I came to interview with you8400:05:24.370 --> 00:05:26.569guys, I didn't even know Iwas gonna be able to start right away8500:05:26.569 --> 00:05:29.410because at that point my school wasstill like we might still go back right8600:05:29.529 --> 00:05:32.649so it was way before anything majorride. I really had no idea.8700:05:32.730 --> 00:05:36.160Yeah, but it was going tolook like. Yeah, so the calling8800:05:36.240 --> 00:05:41.560out in your mind, was thatthe scariest preconception that you did? Just8900:05:41.639 --> 00:05:45.360so we kind of define our terms. That's a little shorthand calling out right.9000:05:45.480 --> 00:05:47.199Yeah, pretty easy for people tofigure out. But basically, people9100:05:47.199 --> 00:05:50.709are going into the abortion center,get out of their cars, they've got9200:05:51.029 --> 00:05:55.350probably fifteen seconds before they make itto the front door. We're calling out9300:05:55.430 --> 00:05:58.389to them to get them to comeover and talk to us. So we're9400:05:58.470 --> 00:06:01.670trying to start a conversation, butwe've got to call out across the parking9500:06:01.709 --> 00:06:05.139lot. So and that can bean intimidating thing. Yeah, so my9600:06:05.379 --> 00:06:09.819first day out there, Viggie toldme just to stay in there and listen9700:06:10.500 --> 00:06:14.060and because I really I was likewhat do you like? Do you say9800:06:14.100 --> 00:06:17.139things that are offensive? Do younot offend? You only preach love?9900:06:17.339 --> 00:06:20.730Do you also talk about the realityof what they're doing? And I in10000:06:20.810 --> 00:06:23.930the back of my mind I waslike, I can't say anything because I'll10100:06:23.970 --> 00:06:27.170say the wrong thing. And solet's kind of what I wanted to get10200:06:27.170 --> 00:06:29.490it. Yeah, there's a fearof saying the wrong thing. Yeah,10300:06:29.529 --> 00:06:33.360and so like and even being outthere for four weeks now, even when10400:06:33.360 --> 00:06:36.160they're super nice to me, I'mlike, I don't want to say anything10500:06:36.160 --> 00:06:41.120that's gonna offend them, but they'reliterally about to drive in and murder their10600:06:41.160 --> 00:06:44.800child. It's such going back andforth in my mind of like this is10700:06:45.000 --> 00:06:46.589life and death and they want tochoose death. You sometimes have to say10800:06:47.110 --> 00:06:51.829offensive things, and so the womenon the sidewalk that I've worked with so10900:06:51.949 --> 00:06:57.149far have been absolutely amazing. Soyou don't the volunteers? Yes, it's11000:06:57.189 --> 00:07:00.980yes, yeah, they have beenso great and because even sometimes I'll think11100:07:01.019 --> 00:07:03.060of my head, is this okayto say, and then she'll say it11200:07:03.180 --> 00:07:05.300right and say I'm like okay,that was it. That's okay to say,11300:07:05.779 --> 00:07:11.860and they have just been very honest. But it I hear it and11400:07:11.939 --> 00:07:14.339it's coming from a place that welove you and we want to help you.11500:07:15.180 --> 00:07:17.009What you hear a lot from thecounselors on the sidewalk is we just11600:07:17.129 --> 00:07:20.649want to help you and we're here. And then a lot of the women11700:07:20.689 --> 00:07:24.850I have shared with me that they'veexperienced this too, and so that's been11800:07:24.889 --> 00:07:28.649interesting to hear, is that they'rebeing bold about we I've been in your11900:07:28.689 --> 00:07:30.600shoes kind of thing. And forme, if I was walking inside and12000:07:30.759 --> 00:07:34.959was abortion minded, hearing that someoneout there could relate with me, that12100:07:35.040 --> 00:07:38.439would I would identify with that andthat would make me want to listen and12200:07:38.519 --> 00:07:41.399stuff. So so, yeah,just going back and forth. I know12300:07:41.480 --> 00:07:45.029you guys weren't going to throw yourpitchforks at them just because of coming out12400:07:45.029 --> 00:07:47.310with love life. I never sawanything like that, and so I just12500:07:47.430 --> 00:07:51.949didn't know like where the line was. Yeah, and I feel like there's12600:07:51.990 --> 00:07:55.870not really a line, because youhave to be honest. Yeah, like12700:07:56.310 --> 00:08:01.220they are good. It's it's astrange dynamic and it's something, you know,12800:08:01.300 --> 00:08:03.339I've learned over the years and Iknow you've learned over the years and12900:08:03.459 --> 00:08:07.980everybody sort of has their own perspectiveand there, I guess, their own13000:08:09.899 --> 00:08:11.500I don't know, angle they comefrom. As far as yes, if13100:08:11.540 --> 00:08:13.850you're post aboard. If you're goingto come from a different angle, well13200:08:13.930 --> 00:08:18.250that. But the Lord has reallyblessed us, I think, with a13300:08:18.410 --> 00:08:22.490good balance, and we did apodcast about this balancing truth and grace,13400:08:22.170 --> 00:08:26.449and I think the Lord has helpedus. I think we've learned through some13500:08:26.930 --> 00:08:30.519trial and error them and made plentyof mistakes in my time of being just,13600:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.120you know, just too fourth right. But also, you know,13700:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.879we can be not forth right enough. I mean we were had a place13800:08:37.960 --> 00:08:39.440of life and death. Were therein front of an abortion thing. This13900:08:39.600 --> 00:08:43.029is, of course, what Iwant folks who may be intimidated a little14000:08:43.029 --> 00:08:46.389bit about going out to an abortionand it can be in the side wall14100:08:46.429 --> 00:08:50.789counselor you know, you got tobe aware that you're in a place literally14200:08:50.830 --> 00:08:54.950of life and death and it's notno time to dance around the issues.14300:08:54.029 --> 00:08:56.580We've got to be forth right.When a woman's coming to the abortion clinic14400:08:56.620 --> 00:09:00.980and she stops to take our information, we don't talk about the whether or14500:09:00.980 --> 00:09:03.580anything like that. We get rightto that right here fro an abortion.14600:09:03.220 --> 00:09:07.100Now, from that point we're notgoing to just say what if you're here14700:09:07.100 --> 00:09:09.220from an abortion, your wicked person. You know, we don't get there.14800:09:09.379 --> 00:09:11.809We want to engage in a conversation, but we're going to be real.14900:09:11.929 --> 00:09:13.129Fourth Right. And so you've pickedup on a lot of that.15000:09:13.289 --> 00:09:18.370Yeah, I guess, gracious forthrightness. Yeah, maybe you would got that.15100:09:18.450 --> 00:09:22.210Well. I think you've identified thetension that I think exists in all15200:09:22.250 --> 00:09:26.679of us, not just when you'rebrand new but throughout. I'm and and15300:09:26.840 --> 00:09:33.080that that that balance does shift dependingon what the person you're talking to,15400:09:33.120 --> 00:09:37.320yeah, has to say and andwhere. If she's hardening her heart,15500:09:37.909 --> 00:09:41.990I'm going to tend to shift moretowards truth. Yeah, and I know15600:09:43.149 --> 00:09:48.950I do that. I'm conscious ofthat because I'm always feeling there's a baby15700:09:48.029 --> 00:09:52.340slipe on the line. Yeah,and and to express too much of God's15800:09:52.379 --> 00:09:58.500forgiveness and love to early just helpsher to justify that's something I've noticed,15900:09:58.500 --> 00:10:01.059as well as when there's been amom that's in and out of her Carla16000:10:01.059 --> 00:10:05.059or in out of the building.A lot write the progress of what comes16100:10:05.100 --> 00:10:09.330out of the side. What counselor'sright. It's deeper. Yes, first16200:10:09.370 --> 00:10:11.009it's like here's what we can do, we can help you, and then16300:10:11.090 --> 00:10:13.970as they notice that they're coming inand out, then and get I noticed16400:10:13.970 --> 00:10:16.370that they get down to the rootof this is sin, this is what16500:10:16.490 --> 00:10:20.330would God have yeah, and youcan't take back and stuff, and I16600:10:20.409 --> 00:10:24.159think that's been really helpful to yeah, I know one of the the benefits16700:10:24.240 --> 00:10:26.679that you've had, and I thinkyou'll say this is a benefit actually've already16800:10:26.679 --> 00:10:30.919mentioned it, that that some folksthat are listening and may not have is16900:10:31.039 --> 00:10:35.789that you have veteran sidewalk counselors thatare there, that are there right besides17000:10:35.870 --> 00:10:39.269you and you're able to listen toand and they're sort of coaching you along17100:10:39.509 --> 00:10:43.629and encouraging you. And maybe not, you know, because one of the17200:10:43.669 --> 00:10:45.990most intimidating things you can tell mewhether or not I'm wrong, but I17300:10:46.029 --> 00:10:48.909think I'm right about this, isthe one on one conversation. YEA,17400:10:48.149 --> 00:10:50.980not just the calling out, butthe one on one conversations. And so17500:10:52.100 --> 00:10:54.500a veteran sidewalk counsel if someone stopstalk, you can kind of step in,17600:10:54.779 --> 00:10:58.419yeah, and talk. That happenedtoday. So yeah, in fact,17700:10:58.580 --> 00:11:03.500and the the woman stopped for autumnand autumn started the conversation and I17800:11:03.779 --> 00:11:09.210was instantly over there. We hadtalked about Ottoman. I that okay,17900:11:09.409 --> 00:11:11.610Vicky will show up, because therewill come a point at which just really18000:11:11.690 --> 00:11:15.970doesn't know enough yet in terms ofour resources. Yeah, that's so.18100:11:16.049 --> 00:11:18.399I was right there within a fewyeah, and that can be one of18200:11:18.440 --> 00:11:22.960the most intimidating things, the oneon one conversations, and you know how18300:11:22.039 --> 00:11:26.000far you can go with the conversation, how you answer this question or that18400:11:26.080 --> 00:11:28.919question that concerned. And it's oneof the reasons why on the sidewalks for18500:11:30.039 --> 00:11:33.230life website, a lot of folksdon't know this, but in the I18600:11:33.309 --> 00:11:35.909believe it's the join our community tab. If you click that and you scroll18700:11:35.990 --> 00:11:41.549down on that page, there's actuallya map there of sidewalk counselors all across18800:11:41.549 --> 00:11:43.669the country, not necessarily sidewalks forlife people or cities for life people,18900:11:43.750 --> 00:11:48.899even people that we know. They'rejust people who somehow, through social media19000:11:48.940 --> 00:11:52.220or whatever, if told us theydo sidewalk counseling. So those who want19100:11:52.220 --> 00:11:54.740to get involved with sidewalk counseling andwant to have, you know, at19200:11:54.740 --> 00:12:00.299least some veteran presence out there ishelpful. Go on that map and check19300:12:00.340 --> 00:12:03.250it out. But also it's oneof the reasons why Vicky and me,19400:12:03.929 --> 00:12:07.250and hopefully we'll get some other folksto start writing content to are trying to19500:12:07.370 --> 00:12:13.450disciple people through blog posts, becausethose things experiences, sharing a story that19600:12:13.610 --> 00:12:16.279you, Vicky, have encountered,even maybe autumn has encountered, sharing that19700:12:16.399 --> 00:12:20.559with somebody and how you worked throughthat a situation is encouraging. So that's19800:12:20.600 --> 00:12:24.720why we write those articles. Shamelessplug in for the for that website,19900:12:24.720 --> 00:12:28.120because I think it is important aspowerful. Well, Autumn today, when20000:12:28.840 --> 00:12:33.309and I took over, I thinkI'm talking about the same interaction. Maybe20100:12:33.309 --> 00:12:35.629there were two that that this happenedwith, but I took over and talked20200:12:35.629 --> 00:12:41.629with her for quite a while andas soon as I finished, Autumn asked20300:12:41.669 --> 00:12:45.019me, what did you say?Yeah, so she wanted to hear so20400:12:45.139 --> 00:12:50.179that she could then internalize that anddecide. You know what felt like.20500:12:50.500 --> 00:12:54.179We're thinks that she could use.Yeah, and didn't know. I felt20600:12:54.179 --> 00:12:58.019like I asked a ton of questionsbecause I'm I'm out there every day,20700:12:58.100 --> 00:13:01.889so there's different people out there,obviously every day, and everyone's been really20800:13:01.929 --> 00:13:03.929gracious, because sometimes I'll just standthere and I'll be quiet because I'm,20900:13:03.929 --> 00:13:07.330like I said, my four linesand I'm not quite sure what's in us.21000:13:07.409 --> 00:13:11.570And then someone who's experience will jumpin and so I'll be like,21100:13:11.970 --> 00:13:13.960if they're doing this, like howdo you respond in this situation? Like21200:13:15.039 --> 00:13:18.960one time our girl did respond backto me kind of in she was upset,21300:13:20.039 --> 00:13:22.519obviously. Yeah, so I askedDaniel. I was like, when21400:13:22.639 --> 00:13:26.559they respond that way, how doI respond back in a loving way as21500:13:26.600 --> 00:13:30.149well? And so the people onthe sidewalks have been very patient with me21600:13:30.350 --> 00:13:33.350with all my questions that I've beenasking, because I do want to learn21700:13:33.549 --> 00:13:37.230something. I can be quick toread a situation well enough to be able21800:13:37.230 --> 00:13:43.179to respond in the appropriate way thatthey have and yeah, so we did,21900:13:43.220 --> 00:13:46.539I think the first I don't knowyou can tell me if I'm if22000:13:46.539 --> 00:13:48.940I remembering correctly, but the firstcouple of days you were out, I22100:13:50.019 --> 00:13:52.740think I'll put you at the driveway. Given that way to you. To22200:13:52.779 --> 00:13:54.929Day. They're thing and they haveanything work the driveway. I said,22300:13:54.929 --> 00:13:58.490I don't know what that means,but all right, yeah, well,22400:13:58.529 --> 00:14:01.690you know as it is. Ican appreciate your willingness and you did a22500:14:01.730 --> 00:14:05.289great job and up better at themain driveway offer in literature, and that's22600:14:05.289 --> 00:14:07.570where people stop and want to talk. And I said, what did I22700:14:07.649 --> 00:14:09.809tell you? I can't remember whatI told you exactly. You just like22800:14:09.889 --> 00:14:11.320sometimes you've got to be thrown inthere. You know that tail learned and22900:14:11.399 --> 00:14:16.080I was like okay, because shecame in. When there's coronavirus or teams23000:14:16.120 --> 00:14:20.720are small, I have an injuredvoice so I can't call out, so23100:14:20.840 --> 00:14:22.679I'll be standing behind on him sometimessaying to say that. Say this so23200:14:24.240 --> 00:14:26.950well, in the day before Ihadn't talked at all because it was my23300:14:26.029 --> 00:14:28.549first day and it was so busyand there was someone on the Rv so23400:14:28.590 --> 00:14:31.669I like barely saw you. SoI was like, I have no idea23500:14:31.750 --> 00:14:33.710what to do and he was likejust go stand at the driveway and I23600:14:33.830 --> 00:14:39.620was like you, I'm going todo what? Don't you learn the in23700:14:39.860 --> 00:14:41.299that? I mean, this isthis is what people got to understand.23800:14:41.299 --> 00:14:46.860This is a very intense spiritual battle. It is if you're coming into sidewalk23900:14:46.940 --> 00:14:50.580counseling being, you know, whateverit maybe even, I'd say definitely pregnancy24000:14:50.580 --> 00:14:54.529center ministry. When you're dealing withabortion, you're dealing with the very spiritual24100:14:54.090 --> 00:14:58.409matter, and this is this isgot to be a ministry. We got24200:14:58.490 --> 00:15:01.809the business mentality, like we're runninga business or something that out on the24300:15:01.850 --> 00:15:05.529sidewalk is just completely thrown out ofthe windows. Right. We've got to24400:15:05.610 --> 00:15:09.799learn to lean on the Lord,and so I helped you to do that.24500:15:11.440 --> 00:15:16.919Have you learned, though? Imean you're you're a godly young lady,24600:15:16.159 --> 00:15:20.200you love Jesus, you want toserve him, but do you think24700:15:20.240 --> 00:15:24.509in the past four weeks that you'velearned at least a different dynamic, if24800:15:24.549 --> 00:15:30.830not a more intense need to leanon the Lord, the trusted percent?24900:15:31.070 --> 00:15:33.870Okay, it is way harder thanI thought it was going to be here25000:15:35.230 --> 00:15:39.100because, I mean, obviously Ipicked cities for life because I supported,25100:15:39.220 --> 00:15:43.980I believe in the cause, andwe, I mean we talked about abortion25200:15:43.019 --> 00:15:46.779at my house all the time,at the dinner table. We talked about25300:15:46.779 --> 00:15:50.330because my sister was heavily involved withlove life. Yeah, and so it's25400:15:50.330 --> 00:15:52.529a constant conversation we're always having.I know where I stand. I know25500:15:52.649 --> 00:15:56.450the facts. I thought this willbe a natural place for me to just25600:15:56.490 --> 00:16:00.450jump on in because I already believethis. I already talked about this,25700:16:00.090 --> 00:16:06.679but what I didn't realize is thatI was having those conversations with people that25800:16:06.720 --> 00:16:11.320agreed with me, and even thereare sometimes of people at school where all25900:16:11.360 --> 00:16:14.279have conversations about the Gospel where theymay not agree and I've had to defend26000:16:14.320 --> 00:16:17.039my faith. I've been to India, like in the slums of India,26100:16:17.200 --> 00:16:21.389sharing the Gospel. That is hard, yeah, but coming out here and26200:16:21.629 --> 00:16:25.590being on the sidewalk, it issomething that I've never experienced before. I26300:16:25.629 --> 00:16:30.230feel like I am going to likewar. Every day, my chest just26400:16:30.350 --> 00:16:33.659feels super heavy. Yeah, everyday, and my first week I left26500:16:33.700 --> 00:16:37.779and I cried every day on myway home because it's I don't even know26600:16:37.820 --> 00:16:41.419if I can adequately put into wordshow it feels once you're actually out there,26700:16:41.940 --> 00:16:45.139because you can say it all daylong, you agree, but then26800:16:45.179 --> 00:16:48.210once you're put in that position andnow you're trying to in a way,26900:16:48.490 --> 00:16:53.049sort of convince those women that thisis not the way, while being royal.27000:16:53.090 --> 00:16:56.889There's a fence and there's trees inthe security guards are laughing at you27100:16:56.289 --> 00:17:00.889and I had to deal with anypro boards yet. Praise Jesus, but27200:17:00.169 --> 00:17:04.119it's don't. Yeah, it's.That has been a blessing of acause I27300:17:04.319 --> 00:17:08.400was actually that they're not out there. But you are describing beautifully spiritual warfare,27400:17:08.440 --> 00:17:14.000right. You have experienced that morethan any place else you've ever yeah,27500:17:14.000 --> 00:17:17.670yeah, even being in India,right, I didn't feel it as27600:17:18.150 --> 00:17:21.990heavy as I did than being ona place like this, because, I27700:17:22.069 --> 00:17:25.509mean, we live in America whereit's okay to do this. So people27800:17:25.549 --> 00:17:27.990are now being they're being taught froma young age that, as a woman,27900:17:29.069 --> 00:17:32.859it's your right to do that.So on learning that and then trying28000:17:32.940 --> 00:17:36.579to tell them and make them seethat you're not coming out of place.28100:17:36.619 --> 00:17:40.859I'm not yelling at you, likeI genuinely just want you to love Jesus28200:17:40.980 --> 00:17:44.059and want to choose life. Andit's like, if there's so many things28300:17:44.099 --> 00:17:47.410going through your mind and then feelingthat way as well, I've been in28400:17:47.569 --> 00:17:51.890my Bible so much and reaching onto my discipler so much and have all28500:17:51.930 --> 00:17:53.490these people are praying for me,because I'm like, I would literally die28600:17:53.569 --> 00:17:57.130if Jesus wasn't walking through this wouldbecause it's so heavy. Yeah, we28700:17:57.250 --> 00:18:00.240knows. This one of the thingsthat I see with folks who, you28800:18:00.279 --> 00:18:03.599know, I've been exposed to thistype of ministry for about fifteen years now,28900:18:03.680 --> 00:18:08.319since two thousand and five, andI've seen some folks almost literally go29000:18:10.000 --> 00:18:12.269bunkers down their mind that are involvedat abortion clinics and just go off the29100:18:12.349 --> 00:18:15.630rails. And it's one of thereasons why I'll stress, and it's a29200:18:15.670 --> 00:18:18.950requirement if you're going to volunteer withus, you've got to be a part29300:18:18.950 --> 00:18:21.869of a local church. Yeah,you need that accountability, you need that29400:18:21.990 --> 00:18:23.589encouragement, you need to be ableto you know, you need to have29500:18:23.670 --> 00:18:30.460mentors and people you can bounce thingsoff of and unload on, because it's29600:18:30.500 --> 00:18:36.220such an intense battle. It's it'ssuch a it's so not normal for us29700:18:36.259 --> 00:18:40.140to be in this sort of battle, especially in American Christianity, where a29800:18:40.220 --> 00:18:42.009lot of the preaching and teaching isyou know, how do you feel,29900:18:42.369 --> 00:18:45.450and about you know, five waysto get your best life and all these30000:18:45.490 --> 00:18:48.490other things. We're not tall.Yeah, sacrifice, lay your life down,30100:18:48.569 --> 00:18:52.490speak on behalf of those that can'tspeak for themselves, at the risk30200:18:52.650 --> 00:18:56.640of getting threatened or whatever. Youknow, it's it is pretty into yeah,30300:18:56.799 --> 00:18:59.640sure, and that's just talking abouta abortion, which is which is30400:18:59.759 --> 00:19:03.480of course, the major focus ofour ministry. But what leads to abortion30500:19:03.240 --> 00:19:07.319has to be addressed or they'll justbe back. And so that's a whole30600:19:07.319 --> 00:19:11.470new layer that you probably haven't evenreally quite explored yet. But you know,30700:19:11.670 --> 00:19:15.549talking about a God's message about sexualpurity, because if it wasn't for30800:19:15.670 --> 00:19:18.950sexual sin, Ninety nine percent ofthe abortions would not be happening. So30900:19:19.190 --> 00:19:23.420you know, then there's all thereis that gets added into the the the31000:19:23.619 --> 00:19:29.460discomfort of sharing with complete strangers.Yes, you are involved in sexual sin31100:19:29.700 --> 00:19:33.500which has led to this terrible place. So so the best is yet to31200:19:33.539 --> 00:19:38.089come, in other words, alldo you remember? I'm pretty sure I31300:19:38.210 --> 00:19:42.009said this to you when you cameand interviewed for the internship. I say31400:19:42.089 --> 00:19:45.329this to probably, I think,all of our volunteers. I basically I31500:19:45.450 --> 00:19:48.769make two promises. If you werecoming, if you and I make a31600:19:48.809 --> 00:19:52.400promise to anybody listening to this podcast, if you commit to come on to31700:19:52.519 --> 00:19:57.039the sidewalk on a consistent basis,two things are going to happen. God31800:19:57.119 --> 00:20:00.400will use you to save babies.So that's going to happen. I'm just31900:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.519telling you, even if you don'tfind out about it, I promise you,32000:20:03.519 --> 00:20:06.200if you stand in front of anabortion clinic and you reach out,32100:20:06.240 --> 00:20:07.950even if you don't see the fruitof it visually, when you stand before32200:20:07.990 --> 00:20:11.150God, I promise you he's goingto use you to say babies, because32300:20:11.190 --> 00:20:15.670your voice is if your believer,your voice is effective. God is going32400:20:15.710 --> 00:20:21.190to use you to say babies.And second promises you're going to grow spiritually32500:20:21.230 --> 00:20:25.059in ways you otherwise would not grow. Have you found those two things to32600:20:25.099 --> 00:20:29.180be true? Of the first one, I don't feel super confident yet,32700:20:29.259 --> 00:20:33.980but I believe that you're right,because something that you told me when we32800:20:33.059 --> 00:20:37.609were on the phone talking one dayafter this was that, like Jesus,32900:20:37.809 --> 00:20:42.690I'm not responsible for the successes orthe women of don'ts. I didn't know33000:20:42.690 --> 00:20:45.250if that woman had chosen life right. I was feeling really bad because I33100:20:45.250 --> 00:20:48.329thought I should have said more right, and so then I was thinking about33200:20:48.369 --> 00:20:52.559what you said is, even ifI don't see a single result, if33300:20:52.599 --> 00:20:55.519I never know, if no oneever comes and tells me that, because33400:20:55.640 --> 00:20:57.480what I said, Jesus gets allthe glory for and then he tells me33500:20:57.559 --> 00:21:02.000later in heaven, then that'll beso worth it. And that's been something33600:21:02.039 --> 00:21:06.950that's been hard to kind of wrapmy mind around too and be okay with.33700:21:07.789 --> 00:21:11.430Is when I do interact with somebody, if I don't say enough or33800:21:11.470 --> 00:21:14.309if I said something that I shouldn'thave said, then in my head I'm33900:21:14.309 --> 00:21:17.710not beating myself up and I'm butthen you told me those encouraging words.34000:21:17.950 --> 00:21:21.740They decided to go in there andI did my part by being obedient to34100:21:21.859 --> 00:21:23.299what Jesus has called me to do. Yeah, and that's one of those34200:21:23.420 --> 00:21:27.460that that's a another aspect of spiritualwarfare. Yeah, so that it,34300:21:27.700 --> 00:21:32.140you know, in this is anotherthing that we encourage the volunteers with,34400:21:32.660 --> 00:21:34.690is that the devil's going to eatyour lunch, or at least try to,34500:21:36.329 --> 00:21:37.329when you could. You've been outthere on the sidewalk, you've poured34600:21:37.329 --> 00:21:41.289your heart out and then you knowyou've pulled your heart out, maybe even34700:21:41.289 --> 00:21:44.210one and one, to a womanwho's pulled over on the side of the34800:21:44.210 --> 00:21:48.359hood and she's gone into that abortionclinic and the devil later on that day,34900:21:48.359 --> 00:21:49.640when you leave or whatever, isgoing to be all you should have35000:21:49.680 --> 00:21:52.079said this well, you should havesaid that all. You didn't do this.35100:21:52.359 --> 00:21:56.880You can't do that just right.No one can say everything that needs35200:21:56.920 --> 00:22:00.640to be said. We just haveto make ourselves available to be vessels of35300:22:00.680 --> 00:22:04.309the Lord, to speak the truthto them. You can say even if35400:22:04.349 --> 00:22:10.910you knew everything exactly to say perfectly, you could say everything exactly perfectly and35500:22:11.109 --> 00:22:12.869still she might go in there andhave an abortion. Right. Well,35600:22:12.910 --> 00:22:17.220we've had women, and I thinkwe've shared this on the podcast before,35700:22:17.299 --> 00:22:19.099one young lady who went on themobile ultra sound unit. And it's about35800:22:19.579 --> 00:22:23.099ninety ninety five percent of the womenthat go on that mobile unit will choose35900:22:23.099 --> 00:22:26.980life for their bags. But thisyoung lady, this couple of years ago,36000:22:26.980 --> 00:22:30.490the mom of twins, eighteen weekold twins, went on the mobile36100:22:30.490 --> 00:22:32.730unit parked right in front of theabortion clinic. She went on there,36200:22:33.210 --> 00:22:37.049she saw her babies perfectly. Eighteenweeks old, you can tell one whether36300:22:37.049 --> 00:22:41.490or not they're little boys little girl. Yeah, every need she had was36400:22:41.569 --> 00:22:45.960answered with some corresponding resource. Youknow, housing, need all here it36500:22:47.079 --> 00:22:49.200is, Free Prenatal Care, AH, here it is. All of that36600:22:49.279 --> 00:22:53.880stuff was answered and yet she walkedright off that mobile unit. Rite another36700:22:53.960 --> 00:22:59.950abortion clinic and killed those two righteighteen week old baby and for the nurse,36800:23:00.549 --> 00:23:04.390for the counselor devastating. Yeah,and the Devil speaking his lies.36900:23:04.509 --> 00:23:07.390Oh, you should have did this, you should have did that, and37000:23:07.750 --> 00:23:12.380you've gotta come to the point,and this is where your growth in the37100:23:12.460 --> 00:23:15.779Lord and just learned to lean onthe Lord, is where you come to37200:23:15.819 --> 00:23:18.259the point and say, devil,I am not receiving you your lies.37300:23:18.779 --> 00:23:22.140I did what God call me todo. I was a voice for those37400:23:22.180 --> 00:23:26.769babies. Maybe I didn't say everythingexactly right, but I said what God37500:23:26.809 --> 00:23:30.450to put on my heart to sayand it was up to them, you37600:23:30.529 --> 00:23:33.769know, and that's that's the reality. It's up to that mom and you37700:23:33.890 --> 00:23:36.210gave you the right thing. Yougave all you had at that moment.37800:23:36.369 --> 00:23:40.369Yeah, and accept that then.So so we've heard a lot of struggles37900:23:40.529 --> 00:23:45.559and at this point there may belisteners thinking, why is anybody because I'm38000:23:45.559 --> 00:23:49.039sure not going there. Are there? Are there any like reboards? Oh,38100:23:49.519 --> 00:23:53.319I think this has been one ofthe most beautiful experiences I've ever had.38200:23:53.559 --> 00:23:59.829Talk about that please, because listenersare, I think every Christian,38300:24:00.150 --> 00:24:03.150you know, they always say likeevery person should work in some sort of38400:24:03.190 --> 00:24:06.470food service and then know how totreat service workers. Yeah, I think38500:24:06.549 --> 00:24:08.990every single Christian in the world shouldcome out and spend at least a week38600:24:10.059 --> 00:24:12.619out here. Yeah, we saidthat way because you have so many people38700:24:12.660 --> 00:24:15.140that are like, Oh, yeah, I'm pro life, of course,38800:24:15.180 --> 00:24:18.500until it comes down to it,and I think being out there on the38900:24:18.539 --> 00:24:22.900sidewalk, it's definitely gonna show yourtrue colors of whether or not you really39000:24:22.940 --> 00:24:27.809do stand for this or not.And I mean even though like art came39100:24:27.970 --> 00:24:32.609in, like being pro life,this is just opened I feel like the39200:24:32.650 --> 00:24:36.089veils been ripped from my eyes again. There are people that do want to39300:24:36.130 --> 00:24:38.319help and there are so many resourcesthat I didn't even know about that you39400:24:38.359 --> 00:24:42.480guys can provide for women, andthere are people on the sidewalks that genuinely39500:24:42.559 --> 00:24:47.079love all these women that are goingin there. And even with the music39600:24:47.160 --> 00:24:48.880playing that you guys have out there, I feel like it. I just39700:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.559spend so much time in prayer andI feel like that's where I struggle the39800:24:52.640 --> 00:24:55.710most. My own personal life isin prayer, like sitting down and doing39900:24:55.789 --> 00:24:59.269it, but being out there whenthere's when it's just quiet because they've all40000:24:59.309 --> 00:25:02.990gone inside and there's no more peoplesitting in their cars. I've poured out40100:25:03.150 --> 00:25:04.950to God being right, please God, and so I feel like that has40200:25:04.990 --> 00:25:08.779helped me grow so much too,just being so dependent on him, because,40300:25:08.819 --> 00:25:11.859I mean, I can't go inthere, I can't cross the line40400:25:11.859 --> 00:25:15.740of already got yelled at once,yeah, stepping over there on to the40500:25:15.779 --> 00:25:19.180property right. Yeah, I justgot a hundred percent that whatever happens in40600:25:19.220 --> 00:25:25.049there, like he's sovereign and he'sin control. And and then being so40700:25:25.250 --> 00:25:27.930encouraged by the women on the sidewalksand you guys. Having Christian community,40800:25:27.970 --> 00:25:33.289yes, so important as well.Some of the deepest relationships that that I40900:25:33.769 --> 00:25:37.279have in my life have been forgedout there on the side of text because,41000:25:37.599 --> 00:25:41.119you know, the deepest relationships areoftentimes forged in battle. Yeah,41100:25:41.720 --> 00:25:44.880it's a real battle. Yeah,I want to talk about something, Ottoman.41200:25:45.400 --> 00:25:48.440You know, I'm just throw thequestion out there, like, okay,41300:25:48.480 --> 00:25:51.269I'm not trying to be accusatory,certainly not towards you, but towards41400:25:51.269 --> 00:25:53.269the women that we minister to primaries, when I'm talking aboutcause there's a mentality41500:25:53.589 --> 00:25:56.789and you may have come in withthis mentality and I tried to tear it41600:25:56.869 --> 00:25:59.589down as quick as I could sothat you didn't get discouraged. Yeah,41700:25:59.950 --> 00:26:03.789when you came and interviewed for theinternship. But there's a mentality that a41800:26:03.829 --> 00:26:06.940lot of Christians have that women thatcome to an abortion clinic are just victims41900:26:07.299 --> 00:26:11.220and they're just poor, innocent littlevictims and we just need to be there42000:26:11.299 --> 00:26:15.420just just to love them. Andthat's not untrue and I'm no way implying42100:26:15.460 --> 00:26:17.980that there aren't women that come.There are victims. Ultimately, we did42200:26:17.980 --> 00:26:19.930a whole podcast about this. Buthow women are not victims, but they42300:26:19.970 --> 00:26:22.890are. Yeah, did you comewith that mentality that these are just poor42400:26:23.130 --> 00:26:27.650women that are victims of circumstances andI'm going to say the world, by42500:26:27.849 --> 00:26:33.000coming out there? No, okay, again, just because we have this,42600:26:33.559 --> 00:26:36.839this constant conversation my household, Ifeel like that's kind of helped.42700:26:37.000 --> 00:26:41.640But something that I've noticed, Ifeel like a lot of it is just42800:26:41.720 --> 00:26:45.279to take away human responsibility. Okay, because I've seen like so many people42900:26:45.400 --> 00:26:49.869just come in and like they're laughingas they walk in or joking as they43000:26:49.950 --> 00:26:53.509come out or just not having acare in the world about what's going on.43100:26:55.150 --> 00:26:57.589Bringing there McDonald's into the parking Igets almost like you're just waiting to43200:26:57.630 --> 00:27:02.539get your nails done, so nonchalant. Yeah, and so, I mean43300:27:02.579 --> 00:27:07.220I genuinely there was a woman lastweek that I genuinely believe that she was43400:27:07.299 --> 00:27:11.180in a horrible situation, something horriblehad happened to her and she she felt43500:27:11.180 --> 00:27:15.099like this was her only option.Yeah, but what I've seen a lot43600:27:15.460 --> 00:27:21.130is that this is just a wayto take away the human responsibility of my43700:27:21.410 --> 00:27:25.410personal actions, like I want tohave the fun without the consequence. Yeah,43800:27:25.490 --> 00:27:27.009and this will get rid of theconsequence. Yes, and the reason43900:27:27.049 --> 00:27:30.880why I ask that question is becausea lot of people, from the outside44000:27:30.920 --> 00:27:33.119looking in. Any I had thismentality. You know, the women that44100:27:33.160 --> 00:27:36.240come to an abortion clinic. Imean for them it's got to be an44200:27:36.279 --> 00:27:40.519extreme thing, it must be somebig time issue going on in their lives.44300:27:41.039 --> 00:27:42.400When you're out there on the sidewalk, you quickly find these are not44400:27:42.480 --> 00:27:48.390poor little innocent victims just waiting foryour help. They're venomous, they hate44500:27:48.390 --> 00:27:49.789your guts, they want they wantto rip your head off and they're going44600:27:49.789 --> 00:27:52.950to kill their baby and they don'tgive a rip what you say. They44700:27:52.990 --> 00:27:56.710don't care what God says. That'sprobably the majority. Yeah, and it's44800:27:56.750 --> 00:28:00.619not that God doesn't want to reachthose people. He does, and we've44900:28:00.660 --> 00:28:02.940seen him do it so many times. I mean I think of a woman45000:28:02.980 --> 00:28:07.140who came to the abortion clinic fivedifferent times and I think the third or45100:28:07.180 --> 00:28:10.779fourth time she came, I wasactually calling out to her and I was45200:28:10.819 --> 00:28:12.210saying, Hey, we're here tooffer help. You don't want to go45300:28:12.210 --> 00:28:15.049in there and take the life ofyour baby, and she said if I45400:28:15.049 --> 00:28:17.809could spit this baby out of mymouth right now on the sidewalk, I45500:28:17.930 --> 00:28:21.450would. I was like, OhGod, how wicked. Yeah, but45600:28:22.410 --> 00:28:25.170she couldn't have an abortion that day. For whatever reason. She came back45700:28:25.289 --> 00:28:29.279that fifth time, fourth or fifthtime or whatever, and the mobile unit45800:28:29.319 --> 00:28:30.720was out there and she said,you know what, I'm just going to45900:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.640go in there and see what seewhat they have to say, and she46000:28:33.640 --> 00:28:37.079ended up choosing life for a baby. So God can save all kinds of46100:28:37.119 --> 00:28:38.759people, right, right, hedoes. Yeah, but some folks again46200:28:38.799 --> 00:28:41.430might come with this mentality of theseyou just pour victims, and if you46300:28:41.470 --> 00:28:45.589come with that mentality on the sidewalkyou're going to quickly either you're going to46400:28:45.630 --> 00:28:49.069get burned and leave not come back, or your attitude is going to change46500:28:49.109 --> 00:28:52.109and get very, very bitter.Yeah, you'll get bitter. Or,46600:28:52.390 --> 00:28:56.140you know, you allow the Lordto give you his perspective. You know,46700:28:56.660 --> 00:29:00.619God's perspective is, you know,all the humanity is lost, dead46800:29:00.740 --> 00:29:04.460in our trespasses and sins, separatedfrom him. We're all rebels against him46900:29:06.180 --> 00:29:08.819and he comes to US fourth rightlyconfronts us in our sin, but he47000:29:08.940 --> 00:29:11.730does it out of love. Andso I think the Lord teaches us to47100:29:11.730 --> 00:29:15.569do that, to be forth right, to confront sin, but to do47200:29:15.690 --> 00:29:19.690it with compassion, because you cancome and confront sin and do it without47300:29:19.809 --> 00:29:22.890compassion, almost like, you know, with some folks, mentality is,47400:29:23.049 --> 00:29:26.440you know, I'm better than themand therefore I can set them straight,47500:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.480and that's a bad mentality to have. But you can also come with an47600:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.759attitude of these are just poor,innocent victims, and that's that's not going47700:29:33.759 --> 00:29:36.359to work for you either. Sosome kind of balance there, the Lord47800:29:36.440 --> 00:29:38.869teaches you. That's why clinging tothe Lord, getting in his word,47900:29:40.390 --> 00:29:47.430getting his heart is is Mooe importante. Yes, Spanish for very got it.48000:29:48.509 --> 00:29:52.789So we're there. Were there thingsthat now you've been out there for48100:29:52.829 --> 00:29:57.579a month, that were misconceptions fromthe beginning, that now you really have48200:29:57.740 --> 00:30:03.339come to have a deeper understanding ofwhat really happens out there. I don't48300:30:03.380 --> 00:30:08.490know. I I think I again, I just thought that it was going48400:30:08.529 --> 00:30:15.569to be a lot easier than whatit is and I guess I just didn't48500:30:15.569 --> 00:30:21.130realize how much the volunteers to.I don't know, because I never thought48600:30:21.329 --> 00:30:23.640when other people say, because whenI tell people that I work for you48700:30:23.680 --> 00:30:26.680guys. Now, though, it'swhat you just stand out there and the48800:30:26.720 --> 00:30:29.039yell at women are do you actuallyhelp women? And I'm I don't know.48900:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.599I person I haven't met anybody thatstands out there and like yells at49000:30:33.640 --> 00:30:38.789women. So when people have thatthat misconceptions. Yeah, I'm always really49100:30:38.789 --> 00:30:41.990confused by that. And I knowthat, like you read about the Westboro49200:30:42.150 --> 00:30:45.549Baptist Church. That, yeah,test stuff. And but like, I49300:30:45.589 --> 00:30:48.990follow Jeff Durban a lot and watcha lot of his stuff and he's always49400:30:49.019 --> 00:30:52.180so peaceful when he talks to people. And then seeing guys out there,49500:30:52.299 --> 00:30:56.420I never have had that mentality thatyou guys are out there to do that.49600:30:57.099 --> 00:31:00.819So and then being out there justkind of confirmed that. Yeah,49700:31:00.859 --> 00:31:03.980that's what guys were there to do. Yeah, again, I just thought.49800:31:04.049 --> 00:31:07.650And then, being an intern,I thought I wouldn't be yes involved,49900:31:07.690 --> 00:31:11.250which is totally fine. It's helpedme grow so much and so and50000:31:11.329 --> 00:31:12.250if that's what you guys need meto do, I'm willing to do that.50100:31:12.289 --> 00:31:17.170It's just, I don't know,there's just so much more help.50200:31:17.210 --> 00:31:18.960I guess that you guys are providingthem. My thought, I guess,50300:31:19.319 --> 00:31:22.279yeah, yeah, I don't knowif it's yeah, no, that's good,50400:31:22.400 --> 00:31:27.319that that's I I wonder where thatmiss perception comes from, because when50500:31:27.400 --> 00:31:30.960there it comes from the time,comes from from media sources who are not50600:31:32.400 --> 00:31:36.230favorable towards us. You know,I've seen that too, because the article50700:31:36.309 --> 00:31:37.829that they just put out about youthat we were reading, yeah, I50800:31:37.869 --> 00:31:41.230he needed the fact check. isstuff seeing on a smaller scale of what50900:31:41.349 --> 00:31:47.220the media can do. And thenif I wasn't pro life and thought it51000:31:47.339 --> 00:31:51.460was okay reading that, I wouldjust confirm right my thoughts. And so,51100:31:51.619 --> 00:31:55.259like you, going out here andseeing what you guys are actually there's51200:31:55.259 --> 00:31:59.259a mentality that and it's the mediathat puts this mentality and then Christians,51300:31:59.299 --> 00:32:00.529we just, you know, peopleread stuff and they just sort to take51400:32:00.609 --> 00:32:04.250the bait. But you know,we're protesters. Yeah, you know,51500:32:04.369 --> 00:32:06.769we're just out there to protest,which we're going to do a podcast to51600:32:06.849 --> 00:32:09.809be exactly which is out there protest. was like, no, we're not.51700:32:10.130 --> 00:32:14.890I'm not protesting anything. I'm outhere offering help to women that are51800:32:14.890 --> 00:32:17.000going into the abortion clinic and sharein the Gospel with them. You can51900:32:17.039 --> 00:32:20.920put it wherever label you want onit. We're not protests and we're not52000:32:21.079 --> 00:32:23.640walking back and forth with picking signsand saying no more abortion. You know52100:32:23.799 --> 00:32:27.680whatever. We're not trying to appealto the government. We're trying to appeal52200:32:27.720 --> 00:32:30.470to women going into the abortion clinicnot to kill their babies and offer them52300:32:30.549 --> 00:32:34.950help. And you know that.Again, a lot of folks don't either52400:32:35.029 --> 00:32:38.710don't want to see that or justhaven't bothered to dig into it, because52500:32:38.750 --> 00:32:43.349we get those those on facebook allthe time. We get questions you guys52600:32:43.349 --> 00:32:46.940actually help the women after they chooselife, and I'm like, have you52700:32:47.099 --> 00:32:52.579looked at our facebook page? Haveyou looked at our website, the myriad52800:32:52.660 --> 00:32:57.180of ministries that we partner with andthe stories that we share on a regular52900:32:57.259 --> 00:33:01.329basis of how we've went from theabortion clinic to stories where they we've seen53000:33:01.529 --> 00:33:06.009people get married and help them gethousing and help them get vehicles. is53100:33:06.089 --> 00:33:07.690like all these things. Yeah,so, yeah, thankfully you came in53200:33:07.849 --> 00:33:12.289sort of understanding all of that stuff. Yeah. Well, something else that53300:33:12.369 --> 00:33:15.079I've learned while being out here,and you asked me this and my interview53400:33:15.319 --> 00:33:19.599was, even if we didn't provideall this stuff, would it's still be53500:33:19.680 --> 00:33:21.720okay for us to be on good? That was the next thing I was53600:33:21.839 --> 00:33:23.920going to ask if you changed ordo you what are your thoughts about that?53700:33:24.119 --> 00:33:27.589Yeah, so, like my firstthought was, I mean absolutely the53800:33:27.670 --> 00:33:30.509people shouldn't murder their kids. Yeah, but even now, being out here,53900:33:30.710 --> 00:33:35.950I like firmly believe that even ifI gave you nothing, yeah,54000:33:36.109 --> 00:33:38.630you're still voluntarily walking in there totake the life of your Chib. If54100:33:38.630 --> 00:33:42.460you were taking a one year oldin there, there would be way more54200:33:42.500 --> 00:33:45.779people out here. But because it'sinside the womb, people want to justify54300:33:45.819 --> 00:33:47.539it, to make it different,but it's still the same. It's still54400:33:47.539 --> 00:33:52.539a child, it's just a littleyounger. And so even if I had54500:33:52.619 --> 00:33:54.579nothing to give you, I stillhave the right to tell you that you,54600:33:54.730 --> 00:33:57.569yeah, take the lack. Yeah, it's not just the right of54700:33:57.650 --> 00:34:00.769the RESPONSIBI. Yeah, yeah,the biblical Mand yes, yeah, to54800:34:00.849 --> 00:34:06.529speak those you can't speak for themselves. So I really yeah that now.54900:34:06.609 --> 00:34:10.199Yeah. Well, so, Imean we're we're thirty plus minutes into this55000:34:10.320 --> 00:34:13.800thing, so I think we're aboutready to wrap this up. As long55100:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.920as you're yeah, yeah, Autumn, questioning autumn. You've been great.55200:34:17.039 --> 00:34:22.159We have a used yeah, reallya blessing. And and just from a55300:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.869practical standpoint, just all that youdo behind the scenes, which we really55400:34:25.869 --> 00:34:29.989didn't talk about at all, butthough you you're doing all of those things,55500:34:29.989 --> 00:34:31.269to setting up the equipment, allthat. That has been such a55600:34:31.550 --> 00:34:37.269blessing to us. But then foryou to do what you did, coming55700:34:37.309 --> 00:34:42.539in every day for now four weeksand you've been on a crash course of55800:34:42.619 --> 00:34:45.940how to be a sidebaught counselor,and you are really good and you round55900:34:46.099 --> 00:34:50.699so much. It's made me thinkthat maybe this should be our regular volunteer56000:34:50.980 --> 00:34:52.610protocol, you know, throw themin for a whole month. Amen.56100:34:52.730 --> 00:34:58.530Yeah, day might run a lotof away. I'm saying that happened to56200:34:58.769 --> 00:35:01.570but we are so appreciative you've beenfantastic. Yeah, I'm happy to be56300:35:01.650 --> 00:35:05.250here, but yeah, well,I'll say though, you memory. I56400:35:05.289 --> 00:35:07.119said I made those two promises toeveryone. Got We use you to say56500:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.119babies. You're going to grow.So you've already shared. You've grown and56600:35:10.280 --> 00:35:15.519I've seen, listen, I've seenwomen that you've handed out literature to leave56700:35:15.559 --> 00:35:17.559out of that abortion Clin of Godhas usual to say babies with. Yeah,56800:35:17.559 --> 00:35:21.079and it's kind of like our bodyof Christ podcast that we do have.56900:35:21.159 --> 00:35:23.190A body of Christ works together.Somebody hands out literature, somebody else57000:35:23.230 --> 00:35:28.070calls out, somebody else ministers toon the mobile ultrasound unit. All of57100:35:28.269 --> 00:35:31.190this is the body of Christ workingtogether ultimately to glorify Jesus. But God57200:35:31.349 --> 00:35:35.590uses that to say babies. Godhas hues that whole body. Yeah,57300:35:35.590 --> 00:35:37.219absolutely. So, as we readthis thing up, is there anything,57400:35:37.340 --> 00:35:42.980autumn, that you would say tosomeone who has fear and anxiety about going57500:35:43.059 --> 00:35:45.380out to an abortion clinic? Andis there anything you would say to them57600:35:45.539 --> 00:35:50.289to encourage them to step out infaith and do that? Or maybe you57700:35:50.530 --> 00:35:53.969just warn them don't do it?Well, no, Um, I hate57800:35:54.050 --> 00:35:58.769confrontation more than anything. I don'tlike being mean to people. I don't57900:35:58.769 --> 00:36:01.210like them being mean to me,and so for me to step out and58000:36:01.369 --> 00:36:06.519do this has been crazy. Yeah, and so I think if I can58100:36:06.599 --> 00:36:08.559do it, then anybody can,and not just that we can, I58200:36:08.639 --> 00:36:14.880think everyone should. And so ifwe're going to claim to know the Lord58300:36:15.199 --> 00:36:19.989and to pick up our crosses andto die to ourselves and to follow him58400:36:20.230 --> 00:36:22.349and to live like how he lives, I think, like you guys said,58500:36:22.349 --> 00:36:27.829we have a biblical responsibility. We'respiritually held accountable to be out there,58600:36:27.909 --> 00:36:30.269and so if you want to stepout in faith and be obedient to58700:36:30.349 --> 00:36:34.460that, I think this is oneof the perfect places yes, start.58800:36:34.539 --> 00:36:37.099Yeah, man, and so Iwould encourage anybody to come out here and58900:36:38.019 --> 00:36:43.099to to definitely just sit and listenfirst, yeah, and just see what59000:36:43.219 --> 00:36:45.900it's about. But then I haveto really tell myself. I'm like,59100:36:45.019 --> 00:36:47.250okay, you just had to doit. Yeah, because that first time,59200:36:47.329 --> 00:36:50.250like call out, you get alittle anxious and you're like Oh,59300:36:50.650 --> 00:36:53.690but you just gotta swallow your prideand and do it. And then when59400:36:53.690 --> 00:36:58.050I leave here I'm like, I'mreally glad that I didn't let the fear59500:36:58.289 --> 00:37:02.199take over my mind and control myword. So could encouragement. Yeah very59600:37:02.199 --> 00:37:05.599much, and so I do wantto encourage those who are listening. You59700:37:05.679 --> 00:37:07.719know, we do have the sidewalksfor life websites, I walks in number59800:37:07.760 --> 00:37:12.199four lifecom, with articles that weput out. We have videos out there,59900:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.710training videos. We're going to continueto produce content and put things out60000:37:15.710 --> 00:37:19.070there as we're able. Also,you know, maybe you're listening and you're60100:37:19.110 --> 00:37:22.429from California or you're listening from wherever. Maybe you're from the Charlotte area.60200:37:22.909 --> 00:37:27.389We'd be more than willing to haveyou out there on the sidewalk. Maybe60300:37:27.389 --> 00:37:30.460you want to fly in from Californiaor drive in because you don't want to60400:37:30.460 --> 00:37:34.460be the airplane right now because ofthe coronavirus or whatever, and you want60500:37:34.460 --> 00:37:36.780to stay in town for a coupleof days and come out and shadow our60600:37:36.820 --> 00:37:38.300teams. We've had people do that. We've had people from as far away60700:37:38.340 --> 00:37:45.250as Ohio and other states that areseeing what we're doing online on social media60800:37:45.289 --> 00:37:47.250and they see what God's doing throughthis ministry and they come and they shadow60900:37:47.289 --> 00:37:51.130us. If you want to dothat, reach out to me De Parks61000:37:51.130 --> 00:37:53.489at cities for lifecom. We'll we'llset that up and make it happen.61100:37:53.690 --> 00:37:57.250You know, we'd love to.You know, I don't think think that61200:37:57.329 --> 00:38:00.159we have it all figured out,but I think by God's grace, we've61300:38:00.559 --> 00:38:01.800worked through a lot of it.So We'd love to have you come in61400:38:02.000 --> 00:38:07.360town and we actually have toyed withthe idea of doing some kind of conference61500:38:07.400 --> 00:38:12.909here in Charlotte and doing some training, sort of a real small many conference.61600:38:12.989 --> 00:38:15.309We've kicked that idea around. Thecoronavirus is a lot of stuff,61700:38:15.829 --> 00:38:20.269but but I would say in thefuture we will definitely do something like that.61800:38:20.630 --> 00:38:22.550Be Watching on social media in thecoming months for us to put something61900:38:22.630 --> 00:38:27.260out for us putting that together.If you have any questions for me,62000:38:27.300 --> 00:38:30.219D parks, cities for lifecom,any questions for Vicky v CASSIE ORG at62100:38:30.260 --> 00:38:35.219cities for Lifecom, we'd love toanswer your questions. Appreciate if you would62200:38:35.219 --> 00:38:37.340share this podcast for other people.Appreciate you listening. Until next time,62300:38:37.420 --> 00:38:54.010God bless our love for love.Give me our love for gratitude. I62400:38:54.329 --> 00:39:04.719know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious and some you