A Conversation Involving Spiritual Warfare

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.880 --> 00:00:06.120 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. And Me, 2 00:00:06.480 --> 00:00:12.150 Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel 3 00:00:12.150 --> 00:00:17.750 Center pre life podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you 4 00:00:17.870 --> 00:00:21.699 in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the Gospel. Stay 5 00:00:21.739 --> 00:00:35.460 tuned. I felt show passish, touch your heart. Use Me. Welcome 6 00:00:35.500 --> 00:00:39.170 back to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys listening to this 7 00:00:39.289 --> 00:00:42.770 episode of this podcast and we'd appreciate, as always, if you guys would 8 00:00:42.770 --> 00:00:47.130 share this episode of this podcast to those around you, those who are doing 9 00:00:47.170 --> 00:00:50.880 sidewalk ministry, who would be a blessing you. 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Vicky, we were just talking before we started recording 19 00:01:27.340 --> 00:01:33.090 and and kind of you looking at subjects and things. We have a few 20 00:01:33.129 --> 00:01:38.810 topics we're going to cover in in some other episodes and but this episode we're 21 00:01:38.810 --> 00:01:42.890 going to kind of wing it and really go off of a situation that you 22 00:01:44.010 --> 00:01:48.959 had yesterday right with the mom who was at the abortion center, and talk 23 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:52.760 through that situation, because this was a situation not uncommon. Actually, I 24 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:57.920 mean maybe a little a little uncommon in that it was more intense than some 25 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:01.909 of these situations are, some of these conversations are, but the spiritual warfare 26 00:02:01.950 --> 00:02:06.989 component is is a reality and what we're dealing with like their spiritual warfare. 27 00:02:07.310 --> 00:02:10.389 But I think the kind of the main marker of this conversation, while we 28 00:02:10.469 --> 00:02:16.460 wanted to talk about is because there wasn't intense and and pretty, I guess, 29 00:02:16.860 --> 00:02:22.979 long conversation that had a lot of spiritual warfare. There's just evidence in 30 00:02:23.060 --> 00:02:27.419 that conversation for what you explain to me that like, okay, some some 31 00:02:27.819 --> 00:02:31.449 demonic stuff is going on behind the scenes and some truth from God's word needs 32 00:02:31.490 --> 00:02:35.449 to be spoken to counteract the lives of the devil that are being spoken to 33 00:02:35.569 --> 00:02:37.889 this mom's life. And like, I don't know. So you just lay 34 00:02:37.930 --> 00:02:40.849 out the scenario so people can kind of enter into that conversation with you and 35 00:02:40.969 --> 00:02:45.840 then we'll talk through the different things that came up and and hopefully we can 36 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:49.719 empower and encourage those who are listening. Sure, and I in the discussion 37 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:53.400 that Daniel and I had prior to starting this podcast, I really like what 38 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:54.800 you said, Daniel, and I think could be good as kind of a 39 00:02:55.280 --> 00:03:00.310 summary for them to hear as after, you know, before I present the 40 00:03:00.990 --> 00:03:07.469 scenario. But what you said about when a conversation goes on, especially when 41 00:03:07.469 --> 00:03:09.389 a conversation goes on so long, I mean it was it was probably three 42 00:03:09.430 --> 00:03:15.500 hours total, and you talked about how the moms are really wanting or looking 43 00:03:15.740 --> 00:03:22.860 for two things as they are engaged in this really long discussion with us, 44 00:03:22.900 --> 00:03:27.610 and I thought you nailed it that that was what was going on in this 45 00:03:27.930 --> 00:03:31.250 mother. Yeah, so, and actually this came up yesterday. I was 46 00:03:31.449 --> 00:03:36.409 in venture, a county here in southern California, and there was a dad 47 00:03:36.569 --> 00:03:38.370 out in front of the abortion center. He was in his car for the 48 00:03:38.490 --> 00:03:42.800 longest of times and I was calling out, trying to reach out to him. 49 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:45.879 Then he got out of his car to smoke and he'd been smoking in 50 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:46.960 his car. So it's like, okay, why did he get out of 51 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:52.599 his car to smoke? And then he started, as I was continuing to 52 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:54.639 call out and offer help and then share the truth about his baby and all 53 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:58.789 that stuff. He started to call out pretty angrily right and so he was 54 00:03:58.949 --> 00:04:01.469 pretty mad at me, but he still kept engaging, he still stayed outside 55 00:04:01.469 --> 00:04:04.949 of his car and I told the folks that are there, you have to 56 00:04:04.990 --> 00:04:08.750 ask yourself get he was smoking inside of his car. Why did he get 57 00:04:08.750 --> 00:04:13.180 out of his car to smoke? And I believe it's because, even though 58 00:04:13.219 --> 00:04:15.860 he didn't want to hear the truth, he wanted to hear the truth. 59 00:04:15.620 --> 00:04:19.220 And the same is true of these MOMS that we minister to. There's so 60 00:04:19.220 --> 00:04:23.779 much spiritual warfare, there's so much confusion going on, there's so much demonic 61 00:04:24.610 --> 00:04:28.209 stuff going on behind the scenes in their lives and then, of worse, 62 00:04:28.290 --> 00:04:30.810 there's God doing his work behind the scenes in their lives as well. That, 63 00:04:30.970 --> 00:04:35.610 in reality, these men, and these women especially are grasping for two 64 00:04:35.610 --> 00:04:43.240 things. They're grasping for justification to go through with the abortion and they're grasping 65 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:47.000 for a justification to leave the abortion clinic. So they're grasping that whole battle 66 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:50.480 between light and darkness, life and death is playing out in their minds, 67 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:54.949 because you see some things. It's like what that young men. If he 68 00:04:54.990 --> 00:04:57.509 didn't want to hear what I had to say, all he had to do 69 00:04:57.670 --> 00:04:59.990 is stay in his car, he get turned up as music or whatever. 70 00:04:59.990 --> 00:05:01.829 I mean. It's not like I was being obnoxiously loud or anything like that. 71 00:05:02.029 --> 00:05:06.069 I would guess in his vehicle he could barely hear what I was saying, 72 00:05:06.069 --> 00:05:10.379 and yet he got out of his vehicle and he stayed outside for a 73 00:05:10.779 --> 00:05:13.660 not just for a few minutes, I mean for a lengthy period of time, 74 00:05:13.779 --> 00:05:17.300 obviously listening to what I'm I was saying. And so again these men 75 00:05:17.339 --> 00:05:20.529 and women, and that's why we talked about in some of our trainings we 76 00:05:20.610 --> 00:05:24.889 talked about this and I think we know we did a podcast a long time 77 00:05:24.930 --> 00:05:29.050 ago about this, about the message of forgiveness is that we don't want, 78 00:05:29.089 --> 00:05:32.170 as they're grasping for a justification to aboard. We don't want to give them 79 00:05:32.209 --> 00:05:35.720 any ground for that justification. And so when we talk about like if, 80 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:39.720 to me one of the worst possible things you can say at an abortion center 81 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:42.959 is till mom walking in or to a dad that's out there waiting on his 82 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:46.000 girlfriend, if you aboard this baby, got will forgive you. To me 83 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:48.319 that's like one of the worst things you can possibly say. First of all, 84 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:51.870 it's not necessarily true. Like God's not beholding to anyone. He doesn't 85 00:05:51.910 --> 00:05:56.949 have to forgive anyone for anything. So the idea that God will forgive you, 86 00:05:57.069 --> 00:06:00.670 that somehow forgiveness as automatic, is not true. It's not biblical. 87 00:06:00.350 --> 00:06:04.259 Now I think more biblically would be, you know, if you abort this 88 00:06:04.379 --> 00:06:09.060 baby but you repent, God is willing to forgive you. But I still 89 00:06:09.100 --> 00:06:14.139 don't even think that's a good message to really bring because they will grasp and 90 00:06:14.180 --> 00:06:17.850 they will latch onto that as justification to a board. Again they're grasping for 91 00:06:17.970 --> 00:06:23.889 two things. They're grasping for a justification to a board and they're grasping for 92 00:06:23.889 --> 00:06:27.730 a justification to leave the abortion clinic and not have the abortion. So again 93 00:06:27.769 --> 00:06:30.850 there's that that battle in their hearts and their minds, that the scripture talks 94 00:06:30.889 --> 00:06:38.160 about that battle between the flesh and in the spirit right, that's going on 95 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:42.240 these these two things in their mind and so yeah, I think as we 96 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:47.029 talked through this situation that you faced yesterday, that's obviously that's going to be 97 00:06:47.069 --> 00:06:49.670 evident to the people that are listening, because it was evident to you. 98 00:06:50.629 --> 00:06:55.790 But again, it's a regular reality at the abortion set. It is and 99 00:06:56.149 --> 00:07:01.579 grasping right, and I really really liked how how you summarize those two things 100 00:07:01.620 --> 00:07:05.740 that they're looking for, because I had not labeled it, but that was 101 00:07:06.060 --> 00:07:11.579 those two things were going through my head the entire time that I was counseling 102 00:07:11.699 --> 00:07:15.810 this woman and I was weighing everything I was going to say based on which. 103 00:07:16.970 --> 00:07:25.050 How do I speak truth without feeding into that desire to justify, but 104 00:07:25.370 --> 00:07:29.170 how do I tap into that part of her that wanted to be talked out 105 00:07:29.170 --> 00:07:34.000 of it and be gentle enough that I don't drive her into the other side? 106 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:40.240 So so I was really that it. I was very aware of both 107 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:45.389 of those truths of what the woman was seeking, and I think we could 108 00:07:45.389 --> 00:07:49.870 probably safely say that anyone engaged in a conversation this took. This was three 109 00:07:49.949 --> 00:07:56.110 hours. If that woman doesn't get up and leave or the guy doesn't get 110 00:07:56.149 --> 00:08:00.339 in his car and drive away, that battle is going on in them, 111 00:08:00.939 --> 00:08:05.459 and so I think you don't give up. You don't give up if they're 112 00:08:05.620 --> 00:08:11.259 still listening. Now, in the case of we have talked about, if 113 00:08:11.620 --> 00:08:16.930 it's where the abortion is about to arrive and someone's listening and carrying on along 114 00:08:16.970 --> 00:08:20.089 conversation with you and that baby's about to die, we do cut it off 115 00:08:20.209 --> 00:08:22.649 to kind of tell them go back in there, go and get her out 116 00:08:22.689 --> 00:08:24.930 of there, because the baby. Yeah, we're talking about the man, 117 00:08:26.050 --> 00:08:28.720 right, of course, right. But if you're that mom, I'M gonna 118 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:31.600 I'm gonna have a conversation with her till till the sun goes down. Stay 119 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:35.080 long as she's not going inside of that abortion center. But yeah, with 120 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:37.000 the DADS there's a sense of urgency that, you know, I'm not going 121 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:39.799 to go back and forth with him forever on. You know, whatever it 122 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:43.549 might be, I'm going to always bring it around to go in there and 123 00:08:43.590 --> 00:08:46.950 get her out of this place. Yeah, yeah, so, yeah, 124 00:08:46.950 --> 00:08:48.789 that's kind of, kind of, of course, what you're talking about. 125 00:08:48.789 --> 00:08:52.309 But, like you said, the fact that they're hanging around and listening to 126 00:08:52.350 --> 00:08:56.899 you, is evidence again that they're asking for something. They want to they 127 00:08:56.940 --> 00:09:01.820 want to latch onto something that really will either give them the power, the 128 00:09:01.860 --> 00:09:05.100 strength to leave that place not have the abortion, or go in there and 129 00:09:05.179 --> 00:09:09.860 get her out of that place, or that will say, okay, well 130 00:09:09.940 --> 00:09:13.330 then it's okay that we aboard because you got will forgive us later, or 131 00:09:13.450 --> 00:09:16.769 it's not a baby, or whatever kind of justification right they want to grab 132 00:09:16.929 --> 00:09:20.929 onto. Yeah. So, so the story is that she had actually left 133 00:09:20.970 --> 00:09:28.200 another abortion center just round the corner from the one where where our mobile ultrasound 134 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:35.000 RV is parked, and she laughed in the the counselor at the other abortion 135 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:39.789 center. She stopped for him. She said she spoke almost no English, 136 00:09:39.509 --> 00:09:45.470 but he was able to convey to her that we could give her free altarsound 137 00:09:45.470 --> 00:09:50.070 and did this. Let me kind of paint that picture as well, because 138 00:09:50.110 --> 00:09:54.179 in Charlotte there are two abortion centers that are pretty close together. I mean 139 00:09:54.179 --> 00:09:58.100 there within five minutes of each other. Right one of them is on a 140 00:09:58.100 --> 00:10:01.019 busy road. That's the one that she was in initially at correct and then 141 00:10:01.100 --> 00:10:03.620 one of them is kind of the the main abortion clinic where we reach out 142 00:10:03.620 --> 00:10:07.049 at on the troope drive. If you guys that are listening have been out 143 00:10:07.090 --> 00:10:11.769 there, maybe to a prayer Walker whatever, you know what we're talking about. 144 00:10:11.250 --> 00:10:15.570 And just as a little side note, one of the things that Elijah, 145 00:10:15.690 --> 00:10:18.610 who's the guy who had initially reached out to her, if I'm not 146 00:10:18.690 --> 00:10:22.320 mistaken, yes, does is he's got, because the mobile unit stays parked 147 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.559 at the latrobe abortion center, he's got these little cards that have actually like 148 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:31.200 a map and directions in English on one side to the mobile unit and then 149 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:35.230 on the back side there's it's in Spanish, so that they can get the 150 00:10:35.350 --> 00:10:39.950 turn by turn directions to get there, which is, like, you know, 151 00:10:39.190 --> 00:10:43.190 kind of again side note. Something good for you guys to have if 152 00:10:43.190 --> 00:10:46.389 there's a pregnancy center down the road or whatever, to have just like some 153 00:10:46.470 --> 00:10:50.659 little cards or something that just have directions, English on one side Spanish on 154 00:10:50.740 --> 00:10:54.340 the other. It's a good way to get her over there. So, 155 00:10:54.379 --> 00:10:56.940 anyway, you laid out the scenario. Yes, wanted to. Yes, 156 00:10:56.019 --> 00:11:01.059 so that's and and that was really wise of Elisha to to think up that. 157 00:11:01.259 --> 00:11:03.179 That would be a useful card. It's been very useful. But Anyway, 158 00:11:03.220 --> 00:11:09.690 he called me and and and said this woman is going heading over right 159 00:11:09.769 --> 00:11:13.649 now to the RV. She only speaks Spanish. So he knew I wasn't 160 00:11:13.649 --> 00:11:18.840 at that abortion center. I had actually just left him and gone home, 161 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:22.919 so he knew I wasn't there, but he knew that I know our Hispanics 162 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:28.120 or Spanish speaking counselor. So I was calling counselors that that speak Spanish and 163 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:35.629 the and calling the counselor who is there at latrobe on the RV, letting 164 00:11:35.710 --> 00:11:39.990 her know we're trying to find a Spanish speaking translator for you. And it 165 00:11:39.110 --> 00:11:43.549 just so happened that a guy that that we've trained, but he just has 166 00:11:43.590 --> 00:11:46.620 such a busy schedule he never shows up. He happened to be there just 167 00:11:46.860 --> 00:11:52.899 by chance. Are quotes, and his name is Henry and he's Hispanic. 168 00:11:54.019 --> 00:11:56.620 He speaks nish. So we don't normally have a guy come on, but 169 00:11:56.700 --> 00:12:01.610 if you know, if there's no one else that speak Spanish that's a woman 170 00:12:01.769 --> 00:12:05.409 to go on the the RV or the mobile ultrasound unit, and then we 171 00:12:05.490 --> 00:12:09.370 do so. So we send Henry on and I found a one of our 172 00:12:09.409 --> 00:12:13.289 women counselors who would be able to to speak by phone during the ultrasound itself 173 00:12:13.289 --> 00:12:18.159 in the back room, because obviously Henry could not go back there. and 174 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:22.759 to complicate matters, there were three women that wanted to go on the RV 175 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:30.950 simultaneously. Two of them were Hispanic and only Spanish speaking. Henry happened again 176 00:12:30.990 --> 00:12:35.950 to be there that day. So I advised, probably in retrospect, not 177 00:12:37.470 --> 00:12:41.909 wise advice. I told our counselor Mandy, just take take him both on 178 00:12:43.350 --> 00:12:46.220 the to Hispanic women at the same time, because your job is these are 179 00:12:46.299 --> 00:12:50.779 two ladies going to the abortion center from I mean they weren't. They know 180 00:12:50.860 --> 00:12:54.100 each of each other and know each other. So they were moms going into 181 00:12:54.100 --> 00:12:58.809 the abortion center and just wanted to go on the mobiles or saying that's right, 182 00:12:58.850 --> 00:13:03.049 same time. Well, and and both presumably, both had presumably chosen 183 00:13:03.169 --> 00:13:07.929 life. So I'm thinking, okay, it's also towards the end of the 184 00:13:07.009 --> 00:13:09.970 morning and I'm thinking I don't know how long the nurse can stay, how 185 00:13:11.049 --> 00:13:15.360 long the RV driver can stay, but or Mandy herself, the counselor, 186 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:20.919 could stay. Let's let's do the smart thing and and counsel the two women 187 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:26.000 together in terms of giving them a mentor sharing the Gospel and of course they 188 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:31.190 would go back for the ultrasound itself individually. Yeah, I had no idea 189 00:13:31.309 --> 00:13:37.110 that one of those MOMS was the situation that that we ended up facing. 190 00:13:37.429 --> 00:13:41.220 Otherwise I would never have recommended that. So it's chaos on the RV. 191 00:13:41.659 --> 00:13:48.500 I'm not there, although part way through the they counseled the first woman. 192 00:13:48.659 --> 00:13:54.500 She was she was very she was on board. She had a really, 193 00:13:54.779 --> 00:14:01.169 really desperate situation, but she truly had chosen life and and was overjoyed to 194 00:14:01.169 --> 00:14:05.889 see your baby. And so she's being counseled back in the back room while 195 00:14:05.970 --> 00:14:13.440 she's getting the ultrasound by the nurse, and Mandy has had begun counseling the 196 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:16.919 person that Elijah had sent over with the help of Henry, the translator, 197 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.799 and she texted me and said this is one of the hardest hearted people I 198 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:28.389 have ever spoken with. I've said everything I noticed, say can you come 199 00:14:28.509 --> 00:14:33.830 help, and that rarely happened. So I do. Boy, this is 200 00:14:33.909 --> 00:14:37.549 a is going to be a rough one. So Mandy had been counseling her. 201 00:14:37.779 --> 00:14:41.259 At the point I said I can be the Yes, I'll I'll go 202 00:14:41.419 --> 00:14:43.379 in the get in the car right now, but it's going to be twenty 203 00:14:43.419 --> 00:14:46.620 five minutes before I get there. Can You keep her there? Mandy said, 204 00:14:46.659 --> 00:14:50.860 I'll try. She'd already been there an hour by the time that I 205 00:14:50.980 --> 00:14:54.610 would have arrived. She would have been counseled already for an hour. So 206 00:14:56.330 --> 00:15:03.330 I'm I arrive and use my limited Spanish that I do know some because I'm 207 00:15:03.370 --> 00:15:07.679 taking Spanish. I'm using do a lingo. For all of you that that 208 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:11.440 counsel a lot of Hispanic Women, I recommend do a lingo. Great Program 209 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:16.080 Free. And I knew enough that I could introduce myself. I could say 210 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:22.029 how are you, and I could even understand parts of when she was saying 211 00:15:22.110 --> 00:15:26.269 how she was feeling. So and I thought that was actually again the whole 212 00:15:26.309 --> 00:15:30.549 way over, I'm praying, just I knew this was going to be hard. 213 00:15:30.549 --> 00:15:33.629 I had no idea what I was going to say and just prayed. 214 00:15:33.110 --> 00:15:39.460 Holy Spirit, filmy, I give me the words, because Mandy is a 215 00:15:39.740 --> 00:15:45.379 great counselor and if Mandy's feeling like I don't know what else to do, 216 00:15:45.779 --> 00:15:50.210 then I knew this was, you know, intense spiritual warfare. Yeah, 217 00:15:50.289 --> 00:16:02.570 going on. So the the woman had already told Mandy she didn't have a 218 00:16:02.649 --> 00:16:07.200 problem with resources. There were two men in her life, one either a 219 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:11.879 husband or ex husband, won the current boyfriend. Both wanted to help. 220 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:17.320 Both told her don't kill the baby. She had people in her life that 221 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:23.950 could help with resources, even before we offered any um she had other children, 222 00:16:26.429 --> 00:16:30.950 but she just she just kept saying, I don't love this baby, 223 00:16:32.509 --> 00:16:37.019 I don't want this baby, I want to abort this baby. I don't 224 00:16:37.059 --> 00:16:42.940 know why. She kept saying that. She kept saying I don't know why. 225 00:16:42.940 --> 00:16:47.059 I don't know why she kept saying that. I don't know. I 226 00:16:47.490 --> 00:16:49.690 and she did say that. She said that a lot to Mandy, a 227 00:16:49.730 --> 00:16:55.090 little bit less with me. But at one point, after I'd been counseling 228 00:16:55.169 --> 00:16:57.370 her for about an hour, she said she again said I don't know why, 229 00:16:57.409 --> 00:17:00.679 and I and I was pretty blunt, I said, well, I'll 230 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:07.599 tell you why. The Bible says resist the Devil and he will flee from 231 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:11.640 you. And you are not resisting the devil if you are still entertaining the 232 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:19.109 idea of abortion. You are giving Satan a foothold and he will continue to 233 00:17:19.309 --> 00:17:26.630 give you the this terrible thing you don't want to do as something you should 234 00:17:26.630 --> 00:17:32.500 do. You need to slam the door shut on abortion. Resist the devil, 235 00:17:32.700 --> 00:17:40.700 and that's how he will flee. But so Henry was wonderful. Faithfully 236 00:17:40.740 --> 00:17:47.690 translated everything that that I said and I knew that the development of the baby 237 00:17:47.730 --> 00:17:52.490 had been heavily discussed already with Mandy, and as had he was from what 238 00:17:52.609 --> 00:17:56.809 our remember. You told me she was pretty far along in her pregnant right 239 00:17:56.450 --> 00:18:02.720 and and resources started to been discussed. She was twenty five weeks. Yeah, 240 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:07.039 knowing that, that's why she left. Now I understood because Elijah thought 241 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:12.470 she seemed really amenable to the ultrasound and I asked well, she said she 242 00:18:12.630 --> 00:18:15.710 was abortion minded and he said yes, and I said well then, why 243 00:18:15.710 --> 00:18:18.710 did she leave? And he didn't know because he couldn't speak to her. 244 00:18:18.750 --> 00:18:22.910 He didn't you know? She sure so, but that's why she left. 245 00:18:22.990 --> 00:18:26.299 She couldn't get the abortion used. Too Far along, too far along. 246 00:18:27.420 --> 00:18:33.019 So I knew that coming into this. I don't know if Mandy knew that 247 00:18:33.099 --> 00:18:38.420 initially. She didn't know that. Initially she had not gotten the ultrasound on 248 00:18:38.579 --> 00:18:44.089 Ourrv, which I didn't know when I first arrived, and the reason is 249 00:18:44.250 --> 00:18:48.170 she was under a doctor's care of some sort. They thought it was very 250 00:18:48.369 --> 00:18:53.009 confusing and they're not allowed to do the ultrasound if if she's under a current 251 00:18:53.089 --> 00:18:59.559 doctor's care, OBG Wyan's care. So so anyway. So that's kind of 252 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:03.559 the background. Twenty five weeks and so I knew, you know, we 253 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:07.279 have our three talking points, resources, humanity of the baby and God. 254 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:12.349 Mandy had covered resources, humanity the baby and some about God, but I 255 00:19:12.670 --> 00:19:15.309 I don't know how much, but I knew that's where I had to focus, 256 00:19:15.950 --> 00:19:22.589 that this was a spiritual battle she had. Basically, she knew what 257 00:19:22.750 --> 00:19:26.539 happened in an abortion. She knows what happens in a baby, the the 258 00:19:26.619 --> 00:19:32.220 age of her child, which is incredible to me. She had did she 259 00:19:32.420 --> 00:19:36.339 claimed to be a believer. That was the first thing I asked. Very 260 00:19:36.420 --> 00:19:38.450 Good Daniel, the one of the very first things I said is, do 261 00:19:38.569 --> 00:19:42.130 you know God? And she said yes, he was her gee. And 262 00:19:42.130 --> 00:19:45.569 I said do you know Jesus? Have you claimed Jesus as your Lord and 263 00:19:45.650 --> 00:19:49.410 Savior? And she said Yes, he is my Lord, he's my everything. 264 00:19:51.210 --> 00:19:55.440 And I said them, what do you do with this verse? Why 265 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:59.559 do you call me Lord Lord and not do what I say? When a 266 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:02.160 right away, I went I went right away, I guess, kind of 267 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:10.309 for the Juggler, because right to the spiritual joy us, and and and 268 00:20:10.549 --> 00:20:18.509 then I I asked and she just said she loves Jesus, she believes in 269 00:20:18.630 --> 00:20:26.420 God, but she didn't know why, but she she had to abort this 270 00:20:26.579 --> 00:20:32.859 child. I I told her. I gave many verses. One of them 271 00:20:32.940 --> 00:20:37.970 I said, let's go through some some scripture. I gave her deuteronomy thirty, 272 00:20:37.289 --> 00:20:41.410 verse nineteen. I had I had henry pulled they pulled out a Spanish 273 00:20:41.529 --> 00:20:47.009 Bible and had Henry pointed out and have her read it out loud. I 274 00:20:47.529 --> 00:20:51.200 set before you life and death, blessing and curse, therefore, or choose 275 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:56.240 life that you and your offspring may live. And I said so God gives 276 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:59.279 you a choice. He's given you a choice. What are the choices? 277 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:03.200 She said blessing her curse. Yes, what are the the next choice? 278 00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:06.349 Life or death? Right? And what does God say? He wants you 279 00:21:06.390 --> 00:21:11.269 to choose. Choose life. And what follows blessing and and she says all 280 00:21:11.309 --> 00:21:15.950 this, and then she said, but I still don't want this baby. 281 00:21:17.029 --> 00:21:21.940 Then I said you say you love God, you say that you believe and 282 00:21:22.140 --> 00:21:27.500 follow God, and has God ever let you down? She said no, 283 00:21:29.099 --> 00:21:32.819 and then she even said Nunka, which is a word I understand. Never 284 00:21:33.650 --> 00:21:37.329 he's never let her down. And I said, so, this God that 285 00:21:37.529 --> 00:21:41.369 you claim to love, who has never let you down, is that? 286 00:21:41.690 --> 00:21:45.769 Did He, like mess up? was he closing his eyes when he created 287 00:21:45.849 --> 00:21:51.000 that baby? Is that baby a mistake? And she said No. Does 288 00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:53.880 God not know your situation, this God, who has never let you down 289 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:59.559 but created that life inside of you knowingly? Does does he not know what's 290 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:03.029 going on in your life? And she said no, he knows well, 291 00:22:03.470 --> 00:22:07.430 has his God, who has never let you down, who created this child 292 00:22:08.150 --> 00:22:14.509 and who knows your situation is? Is that a god you want to defy 293 00:22:14.710 --> 00:22:19.700 now and take the life of that of that child? And she would pause 294 00:22:21.140 --> 00:22:26.099 and say no at first, and then she would say, but I don't 295 00:22:26.180 --> 00:22:30.210 want this baby, I don't want to have this baby. So then I 296 00:22:30.410 --> 00:22:37.170 brought her to Romans ten nine. If if you believe in your heart that, 297 00:22:37.529 --> 00:22:41.250 or if you proclaim with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in 298 00:22:41.289 --> 00:22:44.210 your heart that God is raised, raised him from the dead, then you 299 00:22:44.250 --> 00:22:48.079 would be saved. And I said, have you ever done that? And 300 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:51.839 she said, Jesus is her Lord, and I said okay, well, 301 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:55.400 let's break that first down. Proclaim with your mouth. What does that mean? 302 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:57.589 She knew that meant. You say it, you use express it, 303 00:22:59.509 --> 00:23:02.549 that Jesus is Lord. Asked her what that meant. Again, like so 304 00:23:02.910 --> 00:23:06.990 often happens, which is why we spend so much time on podcast in our 305 00:23:07.069 --> 00:23:11.230 training saying really focus on that. She did not know what that meant. 306 00:23:12.900 --> 00:23:17.900 Not Really. She said he's everything, he's all, he's in control of 307 00:23:17.980 --> 00:23:22.660 everything, but she never personalized it. What does that mean to her and 308 00:23:22.940 --> 00:23:26.369 how someone who claims Jesus is Lord of their life? How are we to 309 00:23:26.529 --> 00:23:32.009 respond? She never was able to answer that until, you know, I 310 00:23:32.130 --> 00:23:34.250 went into well, if money is lord of your life, pretend it is. 311 00:23:34.410 --> 00:23:38.329 What would you do anything to get money? Yes, anything, I'd, 312 00:23:38.529 --> 00:23:41.119 you know, lie, steal, whatever it took to get money. 313 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:45.160 How about if your boyfriend, and I purposely say this one, how about 314 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:51.279 if your boyfriend is is Lord of Your Life? Would you go in that 315 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:56.549 abortion center and kill your baby? And that did that? This is when, 316 00:23:56.710 --> 00:23:59.230 for the first time, I'd been talking, probably an hour at this 317 00:23:59.349 --> 00:24:06.549 point with her, and for the first time the the just bizarre rebellion against 318 00:24:06.910 --> 00:24:10.859 God, despite knowing that everything I was saying was true and was biblical. 319 00:24:10.980 --> 00:24:15.539 At that point something kind of shifted in the look on her face and she 320 00:24:15.619 --> 00:24:18.660 said, but my boyfriend wants me to keep the baby, and I said 321 00:24:18.700 --> 00:24:25.410 I know, but if he was lord of your life and he said kill 322 00:24:25.569 --> 00:24:29.089 that baby, would you do it? And she said yes, and I 323 00:24:29.130 --> 00:24:33.809 said then who's Lord of Your Life Right now, because it was her. 324 00:24:33.650 --> 00:24:37.529 She was Lord of her life, not Jesus. She was. She was 325 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:41.720 going to go in and kill that baby because she wanted to kill the baby. 326 00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:45.200 Shouldn't know why, but she did. She didn't want to have the 327 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:49.799 baby. So then I said, now, if Jesus is Lord of Your 328 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:55.910 Life, what's the sixth commandment? And Henry got that in the Bible for 329 00:24:56.069 --> 00:24:59.349 her, which is thou shall not murder. I said, if Jesus is 330 00:24:59.549 --> 00:25:03.150 Lord of Your Life, what what will you do? And she said, 331 00:25:03.190 --> 00:25:07.740 I won't kill my baby. I think she did use the word kill my 332 00:25:07.819 --> 00:25:10.380 baby. Then, Daniel, we talked about how mom's never say that, 333 00:25:10.539 --> 00:25:14.099 but I think at that point she did. She said I want then, 334 00:25:14.099 --> 00:25:17.660 I won't kill my baby, and I thought victory. I thought we've got 335 00:25:18.140 --> 00:25:23.769 we've got the victory for God and for this baby at that moment, because 336 00:25:23.930 --> 00:25:27.730 she got it, she understood. Henry even turned to me. She doesn't 337 00:25:27.930 --> 00:25:33.730 speak English, so he was okay saying this and he said something just changed. 338 00:25:33.049 --> 00:25:37.079 She understands. That's what he said and that's what I felt, and 339 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:41.599 that was where there's this battle between life or death, blessing her cursy, 340 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:47.839 spiritual battle between good and evil. It was so palpable with this woman and 341 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:52.910 all I had seen up to this point was evil winning. I was hearing 342 00:25:52.069 --> 00:26:00.230 Satan's voice speaking to her through her. At that moment the battle shifted and 343 00:26:00.430 --> 00:26:06.420 I really felt like she understands and and she gets it, and she was 344 00:26:06.579 --> 00:26:11.299 quiet for the first time. She wasn't trying to counter everything, she was 345 00:26:11.420 --> 00:26:19.170 just listening and went on and then I don't I don't remember her exactly what 346 00:26:19.329 --> 00:26:25.609 else we were saying along the same vein going. I asked her if she 347 00:26:25.730 --> 00:26:29.890 reads the Bible. She does not. She has a Bible but she doesn't 348 00:26:29.970 --> 00:26:33.559 read it, and I said you will never know Jesus says your Lord if 349 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:38.440 you don't know what he says, and you won't know what he says if 350 00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:42.640 you don't read your Bible. So the first thing you need to read it. 351 00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:48.349 Don't just have it, you need to read your Bible. and Um, 352 00:26:48.750 --> 00:26:52.829 and she said, but I I'm not good, I can't be good, 353 00:26:52.150 --> 00:26:56.069 I can't do this. And I said, you're right, on your 354 00:26:56.109 --> 00:27:00.829 own power you cannot. But if Jesus is Lord of Your Life and if 355 00:27:00.869 --> 00:27:03.660 you submit your life to him, do you know what the Bible says? 356 00:27:03.059 --> 00:27:06.819 This is a Holy Spirit and enters us. And do you know what the 357 00:27:07.420 --> 00:27:11.900 the the role of the Holy Spirit inside of us is? It's to guide 358 00:27:11.940 --> 00:27:17.529 us into righteousness. It's our comforter and our guide. And you can do 359 00:27:17.890 --> 00:27:22.049 all things the Bible says through Christ to strengthens us. But Not if you 360 00:27:22.089 --> 00:27:26.329 keep rebelling against him and not if he's not your Lord. Then you that 361 00:27:26.490 --> 00:27:32.400 Holy Spirit is not guiding you, it is not helping you to be righteous. 362 00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:37.519 But you can be with God. We can do all things through God. 363 00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:41.000 Again, that was a point at which I'm seeing her now. She's 364 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:48.589 she's looking really like this is what she wants. And then I said, 365 00:27:48.630 --> 00:27:52.430 do you know the story about Daniel in the lions den? And she didn't. 366 00:27:52.670 --> 00:27:59.460 That shocked me. Someone who claims who doesn't know the story of Daniel 367 00:27:59.619 --> 00:28:02.619 in the life David and Goliath. If you don't know David and Goliath, 368 00:28:02.740 --> 00:28:04.539 how in the world could you even be a Christian? I don't know or 369 00:28:04.619 --> 00:28:07.539 even ever have been to church. If you don't know Daniel, the Lions 370 00:28:07.539 --> 00:28:11.099 Dan. By that same token, it's like, I don't know. So 371 00:28:11.259 --> 00:28:14.529 a pretty basic so I told her this story. I told her the basis 372 00:28:14.690 --> 00:28:19.049 of the story, the basic story, and said Daniel was so in tune, 373 00:28:19.970 --> 00:28:30.079 loved God so much, had had decided that he would not abandon his 374 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:34.680 God no matter what, and and that meant turning and praying to God and 375 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:38.920 he would not bow down to a false idol. And he was thrown into 376 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:42.069 the Lions Den. I said, you know what happened to him, and 377 00:28:42.390 --> 00:28:45.910 she shook her she didn't know. I said, well, these are hungry 378 00:28:45.990 --> 00:28:51.269 lions. What do you think happened to him? And she said they he 379 00:28:51.470 --> 00:28:56.900 was eaten, he was killed. I said no, that is what should 380 00:28:56.900 --> 00:29:03.819 have happened, but God shut the mouth of the Lions and Daniel was rescued 381 00:29:03.900 --> 00:29:07.380 the next day by the king, who didn't know God. But pull them 382 00:29:07.420 --> 00:29:11.369 out of the lions den unscathed. There's not a wound on him and I 383 00:29:11.569 --> 00:29:15.650 told her you were in a lions den right now and you can either be 384 00:29:15.809 --> 00:29:21.450 eaten by the Lions and that Satan, or you can let God close their 385 00:29:21.569 --> 00:29:26.359 mouth, and that's by choosing God and choosing to follow him no matter what. 386 00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:33.000 And so at this point we really believe that that there's been this shift 387 00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:37.789 and that she is going to choose life. And it goes on for a 388 00:29:37.869 --> 00:29:44.670 while and again she said, but I don't want this baby, I don't 389 00:29:44.670 --> 00:29:52.549 want to have this baby. So the the last thing that I really wrestled 390 00:29:52.549 --> 00:29:56.859 to even tell her about was my own background as opposed to board of MOM 391 00:29:56.980 --> 00:30:03.140 and and the lifelong regret and sorrow and that there are consequences and they they 392 00:30:03.220 --> 00:30:08.890 can be lifelong and they are lifelong with with a choice like like murder, 393 00:30:10.329 --> 00:30:15.009 like a boarding your own child. And the reason I'm I'm at there, 394 00:30:15.289 --> 00:30:18.809 one of the main reasons, well, it's not anymore, it was. 395 00:30:18.970 --> 00:30:23.079 What brought me out there was I know what these women are doing, and 396 00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:29.559 you and and I would not wish it on my worst enemy. And then 397 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:33.880 I pulled out I've been painting these rocks with pictures of babies on them in 398 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:41.430 a verse which is the Jeremiah One five before I formed you in the womb, 399 00:30:41.470 --> 00:30:45.190 I knew you. So I pulled one of my rocks out and I 400 00:30:45.230 --> 00:30:47.789 said, I'm going to give this to you and I want you, and 401 00:30:48.069 --> 00:30:55.380 Henry told her what this verse said, and and then I and I'm going 402 00:30:55.420 --> 00:30:57.980 to pray that every time you look at this rock, you will remember it 403 00:30:59.140 --> 00:31:02.779 is God who formed this baby in the womb, just as he formed you, 404 00:31:02.940 --> 00:31:06.170 and he has a plan and a purpose for both of you. And 405 00:31:07.490 --> 00:31:12.210 she had not been willing to give any information to anyone. Apparently, up 406 00:31:12.289 --> 00:31:17.210 to this point, the the nurse and the count or did not have even 407 00:31:17.250 --> 00:31:21.519 her I think they had her first name, that's all. So I said, 408 00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:26.160 would you give me? I at that point actually did say I don't 409 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.720 know what else to tell you. I I don't know what else to say 410 00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.950 to you. It had been going on two hours now, and I said, 411 00:31:33.509 --> 00:31:41.069 would you be willing to let consider our mentorship program I described it. 412 00:31:41.230 --> 00:31:47.140 I told her I can have our Spanish counselor talk with you about this, 413 00:31:47.900 --> 00:31:49.339 because she also, I think, had to get going at that point, 414 00:31:49.380 --> 00:31:53.380 and so did the driver of the RV and so did our nurse and so 415 00:31:53.579 --> 00:31:59.579 did our counselor so I said, would you be willing to have a Spanish 416 00:32:00.099 --> 00:32:05.089 counselor call you either this afternoon or tomorrow and talk with you about the mental 417 00:32:05.170 --> 00:32:08.769 program and she said Yes, so she gave me her name and phone number 418 00:32:09.410 --> 00:32:15.599 and and then we hugged her, we prayed with her and, as you 419 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:21.880 have taught us so well, Daniel, we prayed at her, reiterated all 420 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:24.799 the reasons for why she needs to follow God and not listen to the Voice 421 00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:30.589 of Satan and and love her baby and we would help her and of course 422 00:32:30.670 --> 00:32:34.789 God would help her. And we all hugged her and she got off. 423 00:32:34.869 --> 00:32:38.430 I did call our Spanish speaking counselor and asked her to contact her later that 424 00:32:38.509 --> 00:32:45.019 day, which she did, and and a very brief conversation and she said 425 00:32:45.019 --> 00:32:51.500 the woman was saying again, I'm she was lying about some stuff. She 426 00:32:51.579 --> 00:32:53.900 said she had a nicktopic pregnancy. Yeah, right at five and a half 427 00:32:53.980 --> 00:32:59.369 months and she said, you know, it's obviously not an and and that 428 00:32:59.569 --> 00:33:05.210 she she did not want this baby. So so I don't know what's going 429 00:33:05.250 --> 00:33:10.569 to happen. I'm it's this is the day after all of this has occurred. 430 00:33:10.609 --> 00:33:16.640 I have texted her you seeing instant translator in Spanish with versus. I 431 00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:22.319 know she's received them. She hasn't responded. That's the story and that's what 432 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:29.589 I did that. That's so. Tell US everything we did wrong? Yeah, 433 00:33:29.589 --> 00:33:30.990 I mean, I don't know. I wasn't there and I'm certainly not 434 00:33:31.069 --> 00:33:35.109 in a position to tell you what you did wrong on the mobiltra sound unit, 435 00:33:35.150 --> 00:33:39.430 because that's your that's your territory there. I would ask the in the 436 00:33:39.509 --> 00:33:44.259 course of the conversation, and I know this is this is like probably everybody 437 00:33:44.259 --> 00:33:47.460 who's listening right now is probably thinking. Did you mention adoption? Oh, 438 00:33:47.660 --> 00:33:51.539 we did. That's almost like from the beginning. I'm sorry that I didn't 439 00:33:51.539 --> 00:33:55.930 mention that. I texted our counselor on the RV, Mandy, immediately and 440 00:33:57.089 --> 00:34:00.210 said she doesn't want the baby, okay, and she knows it's wrong. 441 00:34:00.369 --> 00:34:02.490 She by the way, over and over she said it's wrong. I did 442 00:34:02.569 --> 00:34:07.449 talk about the pain that that baby would experience. We know that is without 443 00:34:07.489 --> 00:34:13.199 a doubt. After twenty weeks that baby is experiencing probably excruciating pain and I 444 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:17.599 described in detail. She knew all that. But yes, Mandy, mansioned 445 00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:22.639 adoption, shared with our shared the resource of our person that would walk with 446 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:27.590 her through adoption. Talked about open adoption, I spoke about adoption it. 447 00:34:27.789 --> 00:34:31.230 So yes, she that and she she said absolutely not, she would rather 448 00:34:31.269 --> 00:34:35.949 kill the baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know, just 449 00:34:36.429 --> 00:34:40.820 we did a podcast months and months ago about adoption and mentioning adoption and because 450 00:34:40.820 --> 00:34:44.860 I know that's like for brand new people especially, it's like one of the 451 00:34:44.900 --> 00:34:47.300 first things that they think about or that they even mentioned to a mom, 452 00:34:49.019 --> 00:34:52.289 why don't you play this baby for adoption? And reality is that a lot 453 00:34:52.329 --> 00:34:57.969 of times that's that's a conversation stopper right there. That's a that's a no 454 00:34:58.170 --> 00:35:00.809 goo talking to these women, because you know, we've talked about and we 455 00:35:00.889 --> 00:35:05.610 talked about this in that adoption podcast, as you're asking a woman to go 456 00:35:05.849 --> 00:35:09.400 from doing, thinking about doing one of the most selfish things she could do, 457 00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:13.840 which is take her babies life through abortion, to doing one of the 458 00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:16.599 most selfless things that she could do, which is placing her baby with a 459 00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:22.829 family. And and and that's a that's a selfless thing from other to carry 460 00:35:22.829 --> 00:35:25.389 a baby for nine months and place that baby with another family. So you're 461 00:35:25.429 --> 00:35:29.190 asking her to go from zero to a thousand and like five seconds, and 462 00:35:29.269 --> 00:35:31.869 that's a hard cell. And the reality is that these women that we encounter 463 00:35:31.909 --> 00:35:36.900 at the abortion center, and again, I'm not painting them in a pictureless 464 00:35:36.940 --> 00:35:40.500 and we're all, we're honest, selfish, right, and especially before we 465 00:35:40.539 --> 00:35:45.179 knew the Lord, living selfish lifestyles. These women that come to the abortion 466 00:35:45.300 --> 00:35:52.690 centers are wrapped up in selfishness and they want to protect their their finances or 467 00:35:52.849 --> 00:35:57.769 their reputation or the status quo or whatever, and it bowls down to selfishness. 468 00:35:58.449 --> 00:36:00.050 And again, trying to get them to do a selfless thing like adoption 469 00:36:00.449 --> 00:36:06.199 is is a hard sell. And that's evidenced in the fact that like what 470 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:08.400 you're talking about. When you talk about adoption, a lot of times it's 471 00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:12.639 well, I would rather have the abortion than give this baby to another family. 472 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.039 Like to us, that doesn't make sense, right, that doesn't make 473 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:19.710 sense. You know abortions wrong. You know that there are families out there 474 00:36:19.789 --> 00:36:22.309 that would adopt your child, and we know that right. We have we 475 00:36:22.429 --> 00:36:27.510 have families that are ready, they're ready to go, they would adopt on 476 00:36:27.590 --> 00:36:30.710 the spot, they would sign whatever paperwork needed to be signed. And yet 477 00:36:31.349 --> 00:36:36.059 she's just unwilling and many of these women are just unwilling to choose adoption because 478 00:36:36.139 --> 00:36:38.099 of really I could, I could never do that, of how that would 479 00:36:38.099 --> 00:36:45.179 affect me. It's selfishness, right. But it's not that we don't talk 480 00:36:45.179 --> 00:36:51.250 about adoption. We certainly do. It certainly like an obvious alternative to abortion 481 00:36:51.809 --> 00:36:55.289 and I know in that conversation you guys talked about it along, you know, 482 00:36:55.489 --> 00:37:00.800 as as appropriate and brought it up. But certainly in these situations the 483 00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:06.079 tendency might be to heavily focus on adoption. In reality, that will just 484 00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:08.519 turn that mom yes, actual shut down exactly, and that's why we why 485 00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:13.159 we didn't. There was another thing that I thought was really pretty critical that 486 00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:17.230 I just remembered when she was saying, but I still don't want that, 487 00:37:17.670 --> 00:37:22.949 this baby, and I said, and what will you tell your boyfriend, 488 00:37:22.989 --> 00:37:27.989 who wants this baby and and the other children? And she said I'll tell 489 00:37:27.989 --> 00:37:30.699 them I had a miscarriage. And I said this is what happens with sin. 490 00:37:31.260 --> 00:37:36.380 First you're going to commit the sin of murder and then it leads to 491 00:37:36.460 --> 00:37:40.099 the next sin, which is lying about that murder, the cover up of 492 00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:44.849 that murder. And do you see, this is the path of becoming a 493 00:37:45.050 --> 00:37:50.449 slave to sin that Satan leads us on when when we rebel against God, 494 00:37:50.929 --> 00:37:55.090 and then the opposite is true as well. Take that first right step and 495 00:37:55.610 --> 00:38:01.199 see how God will reward and bless and and I'm saying, I'm not saying 496 00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:06.039 your struggles will cease, but in your conscience and in your heart and in 497 00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:12.679 your ability to to take the next right step after that. Yeah, yeah, 498 00:38:13.510 --> 00:38:16.230 yeah, that's good. I would think. I don't know how much, 499 00:38:17.510 --> 00:38:22.389 how much more in this conversation and really adding to what you've said that 500 00:38:22.469 --> 00:38:24.829 I'm going to be able to add as far as value to it to me, 501 00:38:24.989 --> 00:38:28.980 I know you guys did a great job. Worn into her. Reality 502 00:38:29.139 --> 00:38:31.739 is, though, it's up to the Lord, yeah, to change your 503 00:38:31.820 --> 00:38:37.260 heart. We've so, we plant seeds, we water seeds, but as 504 00:38:37.300 --> 00:38:39.019 up to the Lord to change a heart. And you guys who are listening, 505 00:38:39.099 --> 00:38:44.409 you'll receive this, this podcast, a couple of weeks, probably after 506 00:38:44.570 --> 00:38:47.329 we have recorded it, because we record ahead of times a lot of times. 507 00:38:47.530 --> 00:38:52.730 So, but still, I would hope and pray that this mom is 508 00:38:52.849 --> 00:38:59.599 still not aborted right, that she's still carrying that baby. And so, 509 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:01.920 guys, pray, pray for that young lady. Pray She's still going to 510 00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:06.760 be in that spiritual battle. Unfortunately, in this country, she's twenty five 511 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.429 weeks along and she couldn't have an abortion at the abortion centers in Charlotte, 512 00:39:10.429 --> 00:39:15.070 but there are places that will abort her baby for her all the way up 513 00:39:15.110 --> 00:39:19.230 to all the way up through pregnancy. I mean the episode that we did 514 00:39:20.349 --> 00:39:22.110 interview in the young lady. He went to You New York to have a 515 00:39:22.150 --> 00:39:24.940 late term abortion. Like this, this young lady could go there and have 516 00:39:24.980 --> 00:39:30.179 a late term abortion and there are certainly people in the pro abortion world that 517 00:39:30.219 --> 00:39:35.059 would help her and would pay for her abortion. Their organizations, these terrible, 518 00:39:35.099 --> 00:39:38.570 wicked organizations that actually raise money to help women like her kill their children 519 00:39:38.610 --> 00:39:44.489 and late term abortions, which are kind of expensive and definitely dangerous, certainly 520 00:39:44.530 --> 00:39:46.650 for the baby but also for the mother. And so, just as you 521 00:39:46.690 --> 00:39:50.250 guys remember, lift this young lady up in prayer. There's this fight, 522 00:39:50.369 --> 00:39:52.639 there's this battle in her heart, in her mind, and the reality is 523 00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:57.559 she needs to know Jesus. She needs an encounter with the Lord. She 524 00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:00.239 had an encounter with Vicky and with Mandy and the other folks on board the 525 00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:04.599 Mobultrasun Unit. She had an encounter with the truth of God's Word and there 526 00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:08.269 was some evidence of that spiritual warfare playing out and evidence of the Lord taking 527 00:40:08.349 --> 00:40:13.190 ground in her heart and in her heart will still hardened in some ways, 528 00:40:13.230 --> 00:40:17.949 although I trust as she stepped off that mobile unit she was more she was 529 00:40:19.070 --> 00:40:22.059 more along the lines of choosing life than she was before she came on. 530 00:40:22.900 --> 00:40:27.059 That was you still other devil speaks lives. That was our sense when she 531 00:40:27.219 --> 00:40:30.380 first got off, and it was a little discouraging to hear what our next 532 00:40:30.500 --> 00:40:34.900 counselor heard, but I think she might have been just worn out. I 533 00:40:34.980 --> 00:40:38.449 would be. Yeah, after, after the battle, but yeah, yeah, 534 00:40:38.449 --> 00:40:44.250 yeah, I like what you said when you said that it looked like 535 00:40:44.369 --> 00:40:49.210 God had gained ground in her heart. Really talking about it as a battle, 536 00:40:49.250 --> 00:40:55.480 it is truly arfair. It is truly a battle and and sometimes you 537 00:40:55.639 --> 00:41:00.400 have to fight longer than you think you have the strength to fight, or 538 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:05.309 even then you think is wise. You just you fight till you have nothing 539 00:41:05.349 --> 00:41:07.710 left, and that's I mean Mandy did until she said, Vicki, I 540 00:41:08.070 --> 00:41:10.750 I have nothing left to say, and I came to that point as well. 541 00:41:10.789 --> 00:41:15.469 I I don't know what else to say. I've given you everything. 542 00:41:15.550 --> 00:41:17.739 I everything I've got, everything the Holy Spirit has given me. It's up 543 00:41:17.739 --> 00:41:22.420 to you and and God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I don't 544 00:41:22.460 --> 00:41:24.340 think just to kind of wrap this episode of I don't think that's a bad 545 00:41:24.500 --> 00:41:28.260 thing. Yeah, I think you labor as long as you can, as 546 00:41:28.340 --> 00:41:30.539 long as the Lord gives you things to say and as long as the conversation 547 00:41:30.780 --> 00:41:35.650 continues. But there does come a point where you've got to wrap up the 548 00:41:35.690 --> 00:41:39.289 conversation and you've got to leave it between them and the Lord because because of 549 00:41:39.369 --> 00:41:44.849 that spiritual warfare that's going on, because of all that demonic stuff going on 550 00:41:45.010 --> 00:41:47.840 in their hearts, in their minds, you can go on endlessly with these 551 00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:52.800 women. Again, they're grasping for something. She's grasping for a justification to 552 00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:59.039 abort and she's grasping for justification to not abort, and that fights going on. 553 00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:01.630 We can do our part and fight the battle as much as we're able, 554 00:42:02.269 --> 00:42:05.670 but at the end of the day it's the Lord who gives the victory. 555 00:42:05.909 --> 00:42:07.030 So we've got to put it in her hands and like you did, 556 00:42:07.750 --> 00:42:12.710 like you always need to wrap up in prayer. Is Okay. Well, 557 00:42:12.829 --> 00:42:15.380 the I think I've said everything that I can we've given you every option that 558 00:42:15.460 --> 00:42:21.539 we have available. We're going to leave it in the Lord's hands. Can 559 00:42:21.579 --> 00:42:23.420 I pray for you and then, of course, that prayer is one of 560 00:42:23.780 --> 00:42:28.579 Lord. I pray that you open her eyes, and so I think maybe 561 00:42:28.579 --> 00:42:30.449 it will be good then, as we wrap with this podcast, if you 562 00:42:30.489 --> 00:42:34.610 don't mind, Vicki, for me to pray for that young lady. Be 563 00:42:34.690 --> 00:42:37.329 Great. I just want to pray for her. That that happened just yesterday, 564 00:42:37.329 --> 00:42:39.489 as we're recording this podcast on a Thursday, so that happened on a 565 00:42:39.530 --> 00:42:43.570 Wednesday, and so we're going to be praying for her. And what you 566 00:42:43.610 --> 00:42:45.800 guys again here listening to this couple of weeks after just to agree with me 567 00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:49.559 in prayer and lift that young lady up in prayer. But let's pray for 568 00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:54.480 her right now. Vicky's father, we pray for this young lady. God, 569 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:59.110 you know her name, you know her situation, you know the struggles, 570 00:42:59.269 --> 00:43:01.750 you know the fight that's in her heart and in her mind. God, 571 00:43:01.829 --> 00:43:05.710 you know that spiritual warfare that's going on. You know all the things 572 00:43:05.750 --> 00:43:09.070 that are happening behind the scenes. But God, we pray for your grace 573 00:43:09.190 --> 00:43:12.980 and your mercy see to enter into that young lady's heart. Now. Just 574 00:43:13.099 --> 00:43:15.460 pray, God, for the words that were spoken yesterday by Vicky and Mandy 575 00:43:15.539 --> 00:43:20.340 and others, that those words would resound in her heart, that they would 576 00:43:20.380 --> 00:43:22.179 echo in her heart and in her mind, the truth of your word, 577 00:43:22.260 --> 00:43:25.300 the truth of who you are, the truth of her accountability to you, 578 00:43:27.019 --> 00:43:30.690 God, you're mercy and your love toward her, but also your justice that 579 00:43:30.769 --> 00:43:32.849 you'll bring if she chooses take the life of her child. And so, 580 00:43:32.969 --> 00:43:37.090 God, I pray in the name of Jesus, this young lady would have 581 00:43:37.130 --> 00:43:40.369 an encounter with you. Maybe she's alone, even praying right now, God, 582 00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:43.880 that she would sense your presence, in your nearness, and feel the 583 00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:46.079 conviction of her sin and her need to run to you, and God, 584 00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:50.159 she would run and put her trust in you. Lord Jesus, we pray 585 00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.760 for this little baby, that you would protect her child. She may try 586 00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:57.550 to do something silly and maybe go to New York and have an abortion or 587 00:43:57.710 --> 00:44:01.070 some other state that allows abortions up to that at that age, or even 588 00:44:01.110 --> 00:44:05.550 do something at home, just getting on the Internet, something that would harm 589 00:44:05.590 --> 00:44:07.909 her and harm her baby. So, God, we pray that you would 590 00:44:07.909 --> 00:44:12.260 protect that baby against that and protect her against that and you would just silence 591 00:44:12.380 --> 00:44:15.739 the voices of the enemy. In the name of Jesus, silence the lies, 592 00:44:16.099 --> 00:44:20.380 demonic lies, that come to her mind, into her heart, and 593 00:44:20.460 --> 00:44:23.530 I pray that this young lady would find comfort in you, in Jesus name. 594 00:44:23.570 --> 00:44:30.329 Amen. Amen. Thank you, Daniel. Yeah, we appreciate you 595 00:44:30.449 --> 00:44:35.210 guys joining in on this podcast. We appreciate you guys just agreeing with us 596 00:44:35.289 --> 00:44:37.639 in prayer and, as I said, continue to lift that young lady up 597 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:43.079 in prayer. Ultimately, she needs to know the Lord Guy's reach out to 598 00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.119 us. If you have subjects you'd like for us to cover, if you 599 00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:49.760 have some encouragement for us. Heck we can use some encouragement. This ministry 600 00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:52.909 is Pretty Intense, as we've described in this episode and as you guys know 601 00:44:53.030 --> 00:44:55.750 who are listening, this in intense ministry. So we need some encouragement. 602 00:44:55.789 --> 00:44:59.750 We need you guys to be praying for us. For sure. Just know 603 00:44:59.869 --> 00:45:04.230 that we're praying for you and encouraged by what God's doing through you guys. 604 00:45:04.269 --> 00:45:07.460 If you have subjects you'd like for us to cover in future podcast, things 605 00:45:07.500 --> 00:45:10.300 that come up that have come up in ministry out there, we'd love to 606 00:45:10.340 --> 00:45:14.460 cover those subjects. So reach out to us and can reach out to us 607 00:45:14.699 --> 00:45:16.860 with questions, with encouragements. You can reach me at Daniel Love Life Dot 608 00:45:16.900 --> 00:45:21.300 Org. You can reach her Vicky, at Love Life Dot Org. But 609 00:45:21.380 --> 00:45:29.730 until next time, God bless Ales. Y'All. Give our love for love. 610 00:45:32.449 --> 00:45:40.880 Give me our love for gratitude. I know it will cost me my 611 00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:49.639 life. Nothing's too precious, and some that you