Nov. 18, 2021

A Conversation Involving Spiritual Warfare

A Conversation Involving Spiritual Warfare

There is intense spiritual warfare involved in the ministry at abortion centers. Sometimes you can see the battle on the faces of those you are ministering to. In this episode, Vicky shares a story of a mom her team recently encountered at the abortion center and how they dealt with the warfare going on in her heart and mind.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.880 --> 00:00:06.120 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. And Me, 2 00:00:06.480 --> 00:00:12.150 Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel 3 00:00:12.150 --> 00:00:17.750 Center pre life podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you 4 00:00:17.870 --> 00:00:21.699 in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the Gospel. Stay 5 00:00:21.739 --> 00:00:35.460 tuned. I felt show passish, touch your heart. Use Me. Welcome 6 00:00:35.500 --> 00:00:39.170 back to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys listening to this 7 00:00:39.289 --> 00:00:42.770 episode of this podcast and we'd appreciate, as always, if you guys would 8 00:00:42.770 --> 00:00:47.130 share this episode of this podcast to those around you, those who are doing 9 00:00:47.170 --> 00:00:50.880 sidewalk ministry, who would be a blessing you. 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Vicky, we were just talking before we started recording 19 00:01:27.340 --> 00:01:33.090 and and kind of you looking at subjects and things. We have a few 20 00:01:33.129 --> 00:01:38.810 topics we're going to cover in in some other episodes and but this episode we're 21 00:01:38.810 --> 00:01:42.890 going to kind of wing it and really go off of a situation that you 22 00:01:44.010 --> 00:01:48.959 had yesterday right with the mom who was at the abortion center, and talk 23 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:52.760 through that situation, because this was a situation not uncommon. Actually, I 24 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:57.920 mean maybe a little a little uncommon in that it was more intense than some 25 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:01.909 of these situations are, some of these conversations are, but the spiritual warfare 26 00:02:01.950 --> 00:02:06.989 component is is a reality and what we're dealing with like their spiritual warfare. 27 00:02:07.310 --> 00:02:10.389 But I think the kind of the main marker of this conversation, while we 28 00:02:10.469 --> 00:02:16.460 wanted to talk about is because there wasn't intense and and pretty, I guess, 29 00:02:16.860 --> 00:02:22.979 long conversation that had a lot of spiritual warfare. There's just evidence in 30 00:02:23.060 --> 00:02:27.419 that conversation for what you explain to me that like, okay, some some 31 00:02:27.819 --> 00:02:31.449 demonic stuff is going on behind the scenes and some truth from God's word needs 32 00:02:31.490 --> 00:02:35.449 to be spoken to counteract the lives of the devil that are being spoken to 33 00:02:35.569 --> 00:02:37.889 this mom's life. And like, I don't know. So you just lay 34 00:02:37.930 --> 00:02:40.849 out the scenario so people can kind of enter into that conversation with you and 35 00:02:40.969 --> 00:02:45.840 then we'll talk through the different things that came up and and hopefully we can 36 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:49.719 empower and encourage those who are listening. Sure, and I in the discussion 37 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:53.400 that Daniel and I had prior to starting this podcast, I really like what 38 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:54.800 you said, Daniel, and I think could be good as kind of a 39 00:02:55.280 --> 00:03:00.310 summary for them to hear as after, you know, before I present the 40 00:03:00.990 --> 00:03:07.469 scenario. But what you said about when a conversation goes on, especially when 41 00:03:07.469 --> 00:03:09.389 a conversation goes on so long, I mean it was it was probably three 42 00:03:09.430 --> 00:03:15.500 hours total, and you talked about how the moms are really wanting or looking 43 00:03:15.740 --> 00:03:22.860 for two things as they are engaged in this really long discussion with us, 44 00:03:22.900 --> 00:03:27.610 and I thought you nailed it that that was what was going on in this 45 00:03:27.930 --> 00:03:31.250 mother. Yeah, so, and actually this came up yesterday. I was 46 00:03:31.449 --> 00:03:36.409 in venture, a county here in southern California, and there was a dad 47 00:03:36.569 --> 00:03:38.370 out in front of the abortion center. He was in his car for the 48 00:03:38.490 --> 00:03:42.800 longest of times and I was calling out, trying to reach out to him. 49 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:45.879 Then he got out of his car to smoke and he'd been smoking in 50 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:46.960 his car. So it's like, okay, why did he get out of 51 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:52.599 his car to smoke? And then he started, as I was continuing to 52 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:54.639 call out and offer help and then share the truth about his baby and all 53 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:58.789 that stuff. He started to call out pretty angrily right and so he was 54 00:03:58.949 --> 00:04:01.469 pretty mad at me, but he still kept engaging, he still stayed outside 55 00:04:01.469 --> 00:04:04.949 of his car and I told the folks that are there, you have to 56 00:04:04.990 --> 00:04:08.750 ask yourself get he was smoking inside of his car. Why did he get 57 00:04:08.750 --> 00:04:13.180 out of his car to smoke? And I believe it's because, even though 58 00:04:13.219 --> 00:04:15.860 he didn't want to hear the truth, he wanted to hear the truth. 59 00:04:15.620 --> 00:04:19.220 And the same is true of these MOMS that we minister to. There's so 60 00:04:19.220 --> 00:04:23.779 much spiritual warfare, there's so much confusion going on, there's so much demonic 61 00:04:24.610 --> 00:04:28.209 stuff going on behind the scenes in their lives and then, of worse, 62 00:04:28.290 --> 00:04:30.810 there's God doing his work behind the scenes in their lives as well. That, 63 00:04:30.970 --> 00:04:35.610 in reality, these men, and these women especially are grasping for two 64 00:04:35.610 --> 00:04:43.240 things. They're grasping for justification to go through with the abortion and they're grasping 65 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:47.000 for a justification to leave the abortion clinic. So they're grasping that whole battle 66 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:50.480 between light and darkness, life and death is playing out in their minds, 67 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:54.949 because you see some things. It's like what that young men. If he 68 00:04:54.990 --> 00:04:57.509 didn't want to hear what I had to say, all he had to do 69 00:04:57.670 --> 00:04:59.990 is stay in his car, he get turned up as music or whatever. 70 00:04:59.990 --> 00:05:01.829 I mean. It's not like I was being obnoxiously loud or anything like that. 71 00:05:02.029 --> 00:05:06.069 I would guess in his vehicle he could barely hear what I was saying, 72 00:05:06.069 --> 00:05:10.379 and yet he got out of his vehicle and he stayed outside for a 73 00:05:10.779 --> 00:05:13.660 not just for a few minutes, I mean for a lengthy period of time, 74 00:05:13.779 --> 00:05:17.300 obviously listening to what I'm I was saying. And so again these men 75 00:05:17.339 --> 00:05:20.529 and women, and that's why we talked about in some of our trainings we 76 00:05:20.610 --> 00:05:24.889 talked about this and I think we know we did a podcast a long time 77 00:05:24.930 --> 00:05:29.050 ago about this, about the message of forgiveness is that we don't want, 78 00:05:29.089 --> 00:05:32.170 as they're grasping for a justification to aboard. We don't want to give them 79 00:05:32.209 --> 00:05:35.720 any ground for that justification. And so when we talk about like if, 80 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:39.720 to me one of the worst possible things you can say at an abortion center 81 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:42.959 is till mom walking in or to a dad that's out there waiting on his 82 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:46.000 girlfriend, if you aboard this baby, got will forgive you. To me 83 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:48.319 that's like one of the worst things you can possibly say. First of all, 84 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:51.870 it's not necessarily true. Like God's not beholding to anyone. He doesn't 85 00:05:51.910 --> 00:05:56.949 have to forgive anyone for anything. So the idea that God will forgive you, 86 00:05:57.069 --> 00:06:00.670 that somehow forgiveness as automatic, is not true. It's not biblical. 87 00:06:00.350 --> 00:06:04.259 Now I think more biblically would be, you know, if you abort this 88 00:06:04.379 --> 00:06:09.060 baby but you repent, God is willing to forgive you. But I still 89 00:06:09.100 --> 00:06:14.139 don't even think that's a good message to really bring because they will grasp and 90 00:06:14.180 --> 00:06:17.850 they will latch onto that as justification to a board. Again they're grasping for 91 00:06:17.970 --> 00:06:23.889 two things. They're grasping for a justification to a board and they're grasping for 92 00:06:23.889 --> 00:06:27.730 a justification to leave the abortion clinic and not have the abortion. So again 93 00:06:27.769 --> 00:06:30.850 there's that that battle in their hearts and their minds, that the scripture talks 94 00:06:30.889 --> 00:06:38.160 about that battle between the flesh and in the spirit right, that's going on 95 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:42.240 these these two things in their mind and so yeah, I think as we 96 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:47.029 talked through this situation that you faced yesterday, that's obviously that's going to be 97 00:06:47.069 --> 00:06:49.670 evident to the people that are listening, because it was evident to you. 98 00:06:50.629 --> 00:06:55.790 But again, it's a regular reality at the abortion set. It is and 99 00:06:56.149 --> 00:07:01.579 grasping right, and I really really liked how how you summarize those two things 100 00:07:01.620 --> 00:07:05.740 that they're looking for, because I had not labeled it, but that was 101 00:07:06.060 --> 00:07:11.579 those two things were going through my head the entire time that I was counseling 102 00:07:11.699 --> 00:07:15.810 this woman and I was weighing everything I was going to say based on which. 103 00:07:16.970 --> 00:07:25.050 How do I speak truth without feeding into that desire to justify, but 104 00:07:25.370 --> 00:07:29.170 how do I tap into that part of her that wanted to be talked out 105 00:07:29.170 --> 00:07:34.000 of it and be gentle enough that I don't drive her into the other side? 106 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:40.240 So so I was really that it. I was very aware of both 107 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:45.389 of those truths of what the woman was seeking, and I think we could 108 00:07:45.389 --> 00:07:49.870 probably safely say that anyone engaged in a conversation this took. This was three 109 00:07:49.949 --> 00:07:56.110 hours. If that woman doesn't get up and leave or the guy doesn't get 110 00:07:56.149 --> 00:08:00.339 in his car and drive away, that battle is going on in them, 111 00:08:00.939 --> 00:08:05.459 and so I think you don't give up. You don't give up if they're 112 00:08:05.620 --> 00:08:11.259 still listening. Now, in the case of we have talked about, if 113 00:08:11.620 --> 00:08:16.930 it's where the abortion is about to arrive and someone's listening and carrying on along 114 00:08:16.970 --> 00:08:20.089 conversation with you and that baby's about to die, we do cut it off 115 00:08:20.209 --> 00:08:22.649 to kind of tell them go back in there, go and get her out 116 00:08:22.689 --> 00:08:24.930 of there, because the baby. Yeah, we're talking about the man, 117 00:08:26.050 --> 00:08:28.720 right, of course, right. But if you're that mom, I'M gonna 118 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:31.600 I'm gonna have a conversation with her till till the sun goes down. Stay 119 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:35.080 long as she's not going inside of that abortion center. But yeah, with 120 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:37.000 the DADS there's a sense of urgency that, you know, I'm not going 121 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:39.799 to go back and forth with him forever on. You know, whatever it 122 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:43.549 might be, I'm going to always bring it around to go in there and 123 00:08:43.590 --> 00:08:46.950 get her out of this place. Yeah, yeah, so, yeah, 124 00:08:46.950 --> 00:08:48.789 that's kind of, kind of, of course, what you're talking about. 125 00:08:48.789 --> 00:08:52.309 But, like you said, the fact that they're hanging around and listening to 126 00:08:52.350 --> 00:08:56.899 you, is evidence again that they're asking for something. They want to they 127 00:08:56.940 --> 00:09:01.820 want to latch onto something that really will either give them the power, the 128 00:09:01.860 --> 00:09:05.100 strength to leave that place not have the abortion, or go in there and 129 00:09:05.179 --> 00:09:09.860 get her out of that place, or that will say, okay, well 130 00:09:09.940 --> 00:09:13.330 then it's okay that we aboard because you got will forgive us later, or 131 00:09:13.450 --> 00:09:16.769 it's not a baby, or whatever kind of justification right they want to grab 132 00:09:16.929 --> 00:09:20.929 onto. Yeah. So, so the story is that she had actually left 133 00:09:20.970 --> 00:09:28.200 another abortion center just round the corner from the one where where our mobile ultrasound 134 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:35.000 RV is parked, and she laughed in the the counselor at the other abortion 135 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:39.789 center. She stopped for him. She said she spoke almost no English, 136 00:09:39.509 --> 00:09:45.470 but he was able to convey to her that we could give her free altarsound 137 00:09:45.470 --> 00:09:50.070 and did this. Let me kind of paint that picture as well, because 138 00:09:50.110 --> 00:09:54.179 in Charlotte there are two abortion centers that are pretty close together. I mean 139 00:09:54.179 --> 00:09:58.100 there within five minutes of each other. Right one of them is on a 140 00:09:58.100 --> 00:10:01.019 busy road. That's the one that she was in initially at correct and then 141 00:10:01.100 --> 00:10:03.620 one of them is kind of the the main abortion clinic where we reach out 142 00:10:03.620 --> 00:10:07.049 at on the troope drive. If you guys that are listening have been out 143 00:10:07.090 --> 00:10:11.769 there, maybe to a prayer Walker whatever, you know what we're talking about. 144 00:10:11.250 --> 00:10:15.570 And just as a little side note, one of the things that Elijah, 145 00:10:15.690 --> 00:10:18.610 who's the guy who had initially reached out to her, if I'm not 146 00:10:18.690 --> 00:10:22.320 mistaken, yes, does is he's got, because the mobile unit stays parked 147 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.559 at the latrobe abortion center, he's got these little cards that have actually like 148 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:31.200 a map and directions in English on one side to the mobile unit and then 149 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:35.230 on the back side there's it's in Spanish, so that they can get the 150 00:10:35.350 --> 00:10:39.950 turn by turn directions to get there, which is, like, you know, 151 00:10:39.190 --> 00:10:43.190 kind of again side note. Something good for you guys to have if 152 00:10:43.190 --> 00:10:46.389 there's a pregnancy center down the road or whatever, to have just like some 153 00:10:46.470 --> 00:10:50.659 little cards or something that just have directions, English on one side Spanish on 154 00:10:50.740 --> 00:10:54.340 the other. It's a good way to get her over there. So, 155 00:10:54.379 --> 00:10:56.940 anyway, you laid out the scenario. Yes, wanted to. Yes, 156 00:10:56.019 --> 00:11:01.059 so that's and and that was really wise of Elisha to to think up that. 157 00:11:01.259 --> 00:11:03.179 That would be a useful card. It's been very useful. But Anyway, 158 00:11:03.220 --> 00:11:09.690 he called me and and and said this woman is going heading over right 159 00:11:09.769 --> 00:11:13.649 now to the RV. She only speaks Spanish. So he knew I wasn't 160 00:11:13.649 --> 00:11:18.840 at that abortion center. I had actually just left him and gone home, 161 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:22.919 so he knew I wasn't there, but he knew that I know our Hispanics 162 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:28.120 or Spanish speaking counselor. So I was calling counselors that that speak Spanish and 163 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:35.629 the and calling the counselor who is there at latrobe on the RV, letting 164 00:11:35.710 --> 00:11:39.990 her know we're trying to find a Spanish speaking translator for you. And it 165 00:11:39.110 --> 00:11:43.549 just so happened that a guy that that we've trained, but he just has 166 00:11:43.590 --> 00:11:46.620 such a busy schedule he never shows up. He happened to be there just 167 00:11:46.860 --> 00:11:52.899 by chance. Are quotes, and his name is Henry and he's Hispanic. 168 00:11:54.019 --> 00:11:56.620 He speaks nish. So we don't normally have a guy come on, but 169 00:11:56.700 --> 00:12:01.610 if you know, if there's no one else that speak Spanish that's a woman 170 00:12:01.769 --> 00:12:05.409 to go on the the RV or the mobile ultrasound unit, and then we 171 00:12:05.490 --> 00:12:09.370 do so. So we send Henry on and I found a one of our 172 00:12:09.409 --> 00:12:13.289 women counselors who would be able to to speak by phone during the ultrasound itself 173 00:12:13.289 --> 00:12:18.159 in the back room, because obviously Henry could not go back there. and 174 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:22.759 to complicate matters, there were three women that wanted to go on the RV 175 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:30.950 simultaneously. Two of them were Hispanic and only Spanish speaking. Henry happened again 176 00:12:30.990 --> 00:12:35.950 to be there that day. So I advised, probably in retrospect, not 177 00:12:37.470 --> 00:12:41.909 wise advice. I told our counselor Mandy, just take take him both on 178 00:12:43.350 --> 00:12:46.220 the to Hispanic women at the same time, because your job is these are 179 00:12:46.299 --> 00:12:50.779 two ladies going to the abortion center from I mean they weren't. They know 180 00:12:50.860 --> 00:12:54.100 each of each other and know each other. So they were moms going into 181 00:12:54.100 --> 00:12:58.809 the abortion center and just wanted to go on the mobiles or saying that's right, 182 00:12:58.850 --> 00:13:03.049 same time. Well, and and both presumably, both had presumably chosen 183 00:13:03.169 --> 00:13:07.929 life. So I'm thinking, okay, it's also towards the end of the 184 00:13:07.009 --> 00:13:09.970 morning and I'm thinking I don't know how long the nurse can stay, how 185 00:13:11.049 --> 00:13:15.360 long the RV driver can stay, but or Mandy herself, the counselor, 186 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:20.919 could stay. Let's let's do the smart thing and and counsel the two women 187 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:26.000 together in terms of giving them a mentor sharing the Gospel and of course they 188 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:31.190 would go back for the ultrasound itself individually. Yeah, I had no idea 189 00:13:31.309 --> 00:13:37.110 that one of those MOMS was the situation that that we ended up facing. 190 00:13:37.429 --> 00:13:41.220 Otherwise I would never have recommended that. So it's chaos on the RV. 191 00:13:41.659 --> 00:13:48.500 I'm not there, although part way through the they counseled the first woman. 192 00:13:48.659 --> 00:13:54.500 She was she was very she was on board. She had a really, 193 00:13:54.779 --> 00:14:01.169 really desperate situation, but she truly had chosen life and and was overjoyed to 194 00:14:01.169 --> 00:14:05.889 see your baby. And so she's being counseled back in the back room while 195 00:14:05.970 --> 00:14:13.440 she's getting the ultrasound by the nurse, and Mandy has had begun counseling the 196 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:16.919 person that Elijah had sent over with the help of Henry, the translator, 197 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.799 and she texted me and said this is one of the hardest hearted people I 198 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:28.389 have ever spoken with. I've said everything I noticed, say can you come 199 00:14:28.509 --> 00:14:33.830 help, and that rarely happened. So I do. Boy, this is 200 00:14:33.909 --> 00:14:37.549 a is going to be a rough one. So Mandy had been counseling her. 201 00:14:37.779 --> 00:14:41.259 At the point I said I can be the Yes, I'll I'll go 202 00:14:41.419 --> 00:14:43.379 in the get in the car right now, but it's going to be twenty 203 00:14:43.419 --> 00:14:46.620 five minutes before I get there. Can You keep her there? Mandy said, 204 00:14:46.659 --> 00:14:50.860 I'll try. She'd already been there an hour by the time that I 205 00:14:50.980 --> 00:14:54.610 would have arrived. She would have been counseled already for an hour. So 206 00:14:56.330 --> 00:15:03.330 I'm I arrive and use my limited Spanish that I do know some because I'm 207 00:15:03.370 --> 00:15:07.679 taking Spanish. I'm using do a lingo. For all of you that that 208 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:11.440 counsel a lot of Hispanic Women, I recommend do a lingo. Great Program 209 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:16.080 Free. And I knew enough that I could introduce myself. I could say 210 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:22.029 how are you, and I could even understand parts of when she was saying 211 00:15:22.110 --> 00:15:26.269 how she was feeling. So and I thought that was actually again the whole 212 00:15:26.309 --> 00:15:30.549 way over, I'm praying, just I knew this was going to be hard. 213 00:15:30.549 --> 00:15:33.629 I had no idea what I was going to say and just prayed. 214 00:15:33.110 --> 00:15:39.460 Holy Spirit, filmy, I give me the words, because Mandy is a 215 00:15:39.740 --> 00:15:45.379 great counselor and if Mandy's feeling like I don't know what else to do, 216 00:15:45.779 --> 00:15:50.210 then I knew this was, you know, intense spiritual warfare. Yeah, 217 00:15:50.289 --> 00:16:02.570 going on. So the the woman had already told Mandy she didn't have a 218 00:16:02.649 --> 00:16:07.200 problem with resources. There were two men in her life, one either a 219 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:11.879 husband or ex husband, won the current boyfriend. Both wanted to help. 220 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:17.320 Both told her don't kill the baby. She had people in her life that 221 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:23.950 could help with resources, even before we offered any um she had other children, 222 00:16:26.429 --> 00:16:30.950 but she just she just kept saying, I don't love this baby, 223 00:16:32.509 --> 00:16:37.019 I don't want this baby, I want to abort this baby. I don't 224 00:16:37.059 --> 00:16:42.940 know why. She kept saying that. She kept saying I don't know why. 225 00:16:42.940 --> 00:16:47.059 I don't know why she kept saying that. I don't know. I 226 00:16:47.490 --> 00:16:49.690 and she did say that. She said that a lot to Mandy, a 227 00:16:49.730 --> 00:16:55.090 little bit less with me. But at one point, after I'd been counseling 228 00:16:55.169 --> 00:16:57.370 her for about an hour, she said she again said I don't know why, 229 00:16:57.409 --> 00:17:00.679 and I and I was pretty blunt, I said, well, I'll 230 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:07.599 tell you why. The Bible says resist the Devil and he will flee from 231 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:11.640 you. And you are not resisting the devil if you are still entertaining the 232 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:19.109 idea of abortion. You are giving Satan a foothold and he will continue to 233 00:17:19.309 --> 00:17:26.630 give you the this terrible thing you don't want to do as something you should 234 00:17:26.630 --> 00:17:32.500 do. You need to slam the door shut on abortion. Resist the devil, 235 00:17:32.700 --> 00:17:40.700 and that's how he will flee. But so Henry was wonderful. Faithfully 236 00:17:40.740 --> 00:17:47.690 translated everything that that I said and I knew that the development of the baby 237 00:17:47.730 --> 00:17:52.490 had been heavily discussed already with Mandy, and as had he was from what 238 00:17:52.609 --> 00:17:56.809 our remember. You told me she was pretty far along in her pregnant right 239 00:17:56.450 --> 00:18:02.720 and and resources started to been discussed. She was twenty five weeks. Yeah, 240 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:07.039 knowing that, that's why she left. Now I understood because Elijah thought 241 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:12.470 she seemed really amenable to the ultrasound and I asked well, she said she 242 00:18:12.630 --> 00:18:15.710 was abortion minded and he said yes, and I said well then, why 243 00:18:15.710 --> 00:18:18.710 did she leave? And he didn't know because he couldn't speak to her. 244 00:18:18.750 --> 00:18:22.910 He didn't you know? She sure so, but that's why she left. 245 00:18:22.990 --> 00:18:26.299 She couldn't get the abortion used. Too Far along, too far along. 246 00:18:27.420 --> 00:18:33.019 So I knew that coming into this. I don't know if Mandy knew that 247 00:18:33.099 --> 00:18:38.420 initially. She didn't know that. Initially she had not gotten the ultrasound on 248 00:18:38.579 --> 00:18:44.089 Ourrv, which I didn't know when I first arrived, and the reason is 249 00:18:44.250 --> 00:18:48.170 she was under a doctor's care of some sort. They thought it was very 250 00:18:48.369 --> 00:18:53.009 confusing and they're not allowed to do the ultrasound if if she's under a current 251 00:18:53.089 --> 00:18:59.559 doctor's care, OBG Wyan's care. So so anyway. So that's kind of 252 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:03.559 the background. Twenty five weeks and so I knew, you know, we 253 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:07.279 have our three talking points, resources, humanity of the baby and God. 254 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:12.349 Mandy had covered resources, humanity the baby and some about God, but I 255 00:19:12.670 --> 00:19:15.309 I don't know how much, but I knew that's where I had to focus, 256 00:19:15.950 --> 00:19:22.589 that this was a spiritual battle she had. Basically, she knew what 257 00:19:22.750 --> 00:19:26.539 happened in an abortion. She knows what happens in a baby, the the 258 00:19:26.619 --> 00:19:32.220 age of her child, which is incredible to me. She had did she 259 00:19:32.420 --> 00:19:36.339 claimed to be a believer. That was the first thing I asked. Very 260 00:19:36.420 --> 00:19:38.450 Good Daniel, the one of the very first things I said is, do 261 00:19:38.569 --> 00:19:42.130 you know God? And she said yes, he was her gee. And 262 00:19:42.130 --> 00:19:45.569 I said do you know Jesus? Have you claimed Jesus as your Lord and 263 00:19:45.650 --> 00:19:49.410 Savior? And she said Yes, he is my Lord, he's my everything. 264 00:19:51.210 --> 00:19:55.440 And I said them, what do you do with this verse? Why 265 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:59.559 do you call me Lord Lord and not do what I say? When a 266 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:02.160 right away, I went I went right away, I guess, kind of 267 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:10.309 for the Juggler, because right to the spiritual joy us, and and and 268 00:20:10.549 --> 00:20:18.509 then I I asked and she just said she loves Jesus, she believes in 269 00:20:18.630 --> 00:20:26.420 God, but she didn't know why, but she she had to abort this 270 00:20:26.579 --> 00:20:32.859 child. I I told her. I gave many verses. One of them 271 00:20:32.940 --> 00:20:37.970 I said, let's go through some some scripture. I gave her deuteronomy thirty, 272 00:20:37.289 --> 00:20:41.410 verse nineteen. I had I had henry pulled they pulled out a Spanish 273 00:20:41.529 --> 00:20:47.009 Bible and had Henry pointed out and have her read it out loud. I 274 00:20:47.529 --> 00:20:51.200 set before you life and death, blessing and curse, therefore, or choose 275 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:56.240 life that you and your offspring may live. And I said so God gives 276 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:59.279 you a choice. He's given you a choice. What are the choices? 277 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:03.200 She said blessing her curse. Yes, what are the the next choice? 278 00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:06.349 Life or death? Right? And what does God say? He wants you 279 00:21:06.390 --> 00:21:11.269 to choose. Choose life. And what follows blessing and and she says all 280 00:21:11.309 --> 00:21:15.950 this, and then she said, but I still don't want this baby. 281 00:21:17.029 --> 00:21:21.940 Then I said you say you love God, you say that you believe and 282 00:21:22.140 --> 00:21:27.500 follow God, and has God ever let you down? She said no, 283 00:21:29.099 --> 00:21:32.819 and then she even said Nunka, which is a word I understand. Never 284 00:21:33.650 --> 00:21:37.329 he's never let her down. And I said, so, this God that 285 00:21:37.529 --> 00:21:41.369 you claim to love, who has never let you down, is that? 286 00:21:41.690 --> 00:21:45.769 Did He, like mess up? was he closing his eyes when he created 287 00:21:45.849 --> 00:21:51.000 that baby? Is that baby a mistake? And she said No. Does 288 00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:53.880 God not know your situation, this God, who has never let you down 289 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:59.559 but created that life inside of you knowingly? Does does he not know what's 290 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:03.029 going on in your life? And she said no, he knows well, 291 00:22:03.470 --> 00:22:07.430 has his God, who has never let you down, who created this child 292 00:22:08.150 --> 00:22:14.509 and who knows your situation is? Is that a god you want to defy 293 00:22:14.710 --> 00:22:19.700 now and take the life of that of that child? And she would pause 294 00:22:21.140 --> 00:22:26.099 and say no at first, and then she would say, but I don't 295 00:22:26.180 --> 00:22:30.210 want this baby, I don't want to have this baby. So then I 296 00:22:30.410 --> 00:22:37.170 brought her to Romans ten nine. If if you believe in your heart that, 297 00:22:37.529 --> 00:22:41.250 or if you proclaim with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in 298 00:22:41.289 --> 00:22:44.210 your heart that God is raised, raised him from the dead, then you 299 00:22:44.250 --> 00:22:48.079 would be saved. And I said, have you ever done that? And 300 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:51.839 she said, Jesus is her Lord, and I said okay, well, 301 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:55.400 let's break that first down. Proclaim with your mouth. What does that mean? 302 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:57.589 She knew that meant. You say it, you use express it, 303 00:22:59.509 --> 00:23:02.549 that Jesus is Lord. Asked her what that meant. Again, like so 304 00:23:02.910 --> 00:23:06.990 often happens, which is why we spend so much time on podcast in our 305 00:23:07.069 --> 00:23:11.230 training saying really focus on that. She did not know what that meant. 306 00:23:12.900 --> 00:23:17.900 Not Really. She said he's everything, he's all, he's in control of 307 00:23:17.980 --> 00:23:22.660 everything, but she never personalized it. What does that mean to her and 308 00:23:22.940 --> 00:23:26.369 how someone who claims Jesus is Lord of their life? How are we to 309 00:23:26.529 --> 00:23:32.009 respond? She never was able to answer that until, you know, I 310 00:23:32.130 --> 00:23:34.250 went into well, if money is lord of your life, pretend it is. 311 00:23:34.410 --> 00:23:38.329 What would you do anything to get money? Yes, anything, I'd, 312 00:23:38.529 --> 00:23:41.119 you know, lie, steal, whatever it took to get money. 313 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:45.160 How about if your boyfriend, and I purposely say this one, how about 314 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:51.279 if your boyfriend is is Lord of Your Life? Would you go in that 315 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:56.549 abortion center and kill your baby? And that did that? This is when, 316 00:23:56.710 --> 00:23:59.230 for the first time, I'd been talking, probably an hour at this 317 00:23:59.349 --> 00:24:06.549 point with her, and for the first time the the just bizarre rebellion against 318 00:24:06.910 --> 00:24:10.859 God, despite knowing that everything I was saying was true and was biblical. 319 00:24:10.980 --> 00:24:15.539 At that point something kind of shifted in the look on her face and she 320 00:24:15.619 --> 00:24:18.660 said, but my boyfriend wants me to keep the baby, and I said 321 00:24:18.700 --> 00:24:25.410 I know, but if he was lord of your life and he said kill 322 00:24:25.569 --> 00:24:29.089 that baby, would you do it? And she said yes, and I 323 00:24:29.130 --> 00:24:33.809 said then who's Lord of Your Life Right now, because it was her. 324 00:24:33.650 --> 00:24:37.529 She was Lord of her life, not Jesus. She was. She was 325 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:41.720 going to go in and kill that baby because she wanted to kill the baby. 326 00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:45.200 Shouldn't know why, but she did. She didn't want to have the 327 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:49.799 baby. So then I said, now, if Jesus is Lord of Your 328 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:55.910 Life, what's the sixth commandment? And Henry got that in the Bible for 329 00:24:56.069 --> 00:24:59.349 her, which is thou shall not murder. I said, if Jesus is 330 00:24:59.549 --> 00:25:03.150 Lord of Your Life, what what will you do? And she said, 331 00:25:03.190 --> 00:25:07.740 I won't kill my baby. I think she did use the word kill my 332 00:25:07.819 --> 00:25:10.380 baby. Then, Daniel, we talked about how mom's never say that, 333 00:25:10.539 --> 00:25:14.099 but I think at that point she did. She said I want then, 334 00:25:14.099 --> 00:25:17.660 I won't kill my baby, and I thought victory. I thought we've got 335 00:25:18.140 --> 00:25:23.769 we've got the victory for God and for this baby at that moment, because 336 00:25:23.930 --> 00:25:27.730 she got it, she understood. Henry even turned to me. She doesn't 337 00:25:27.930 --> 00:25:33.730 speak English, so he was okay saying this and he said something just changed. 338 00:25:33.049 --> 00:25:37.079 She understands. That's what he said and that's what I felt, and 339 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:41.599 that was where there's this battle between life or death, blessing her cursy, 340 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:47.839 spiritual battle between good and evil. It was so palpable with this woman and 341 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:52.910 all I had seen up to this point was evil winning. I was hearing 342 00:25:52.069 --> 00:26:00.230 Satan's voice speaking to her through her. At that moment the battle shifted and 343 00:26:00.430 --> 00:26:06.420 I really felt like she understands and and she gets it, and she was 344 00:26:06.579 --> 00:26:11.299 quiet for the first time. She wasn't trying to counter everything, she was 345 00:26:11.420 --> 00:26:19.170 just listening and went on and then I don't I don't remember her exactly what 346 00:26:19.329 --> 00:26:25.609 else we were saying along the same vein going. I asked her if she 347 00:26:25.730 --> 00:26:29.890 reads the Bible. She does not. She has a Bible but she doesn't 348 00:26:29.970 --> 00:26:33.559 read it, and I said you will never know Jesus says your Lord if 349 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:38.440 you don't know what he says, and you won't know what he says if 350 00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:42.640 you don't read your Bible. So the first thing you need to read it. 351 00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:48.349 Don't just have it, you need to read your Bible. and Um, 352 00:26:48.750 --> 00:26:52.829 and she said, but I I'm not good, I can't be good, 353 00:26:52.150 --> 00:26:56.069 I can't do this. And I said, you're right, on your 354 00:26:56.109 --> 00:27:00.829 own power you cannot. But if Jesus is Lord of Your Life and if 355 00:27:00.869 --> 00:27:03.660 you submit your life to him, do you know what the Bible says? 356 00:27:03.059 --> 00:27:06.819 This is a Holy Spirit and enters us. And do you know what the 357 00:27:07.420 --> 00:27:11.900 the the role of the Holy Spirit inside of us is? It's to guide 358 00:27:11.940 --> 00:27:17.529 us into righteousness. It's our comforter and our guide. And you can do 359 00:27:17.890 --> 00:27:22.049 all things the Bible says through Christ to strengthens us. But Not if you 360 00:27:22.089 --> 00:27:26.329 keep rebelling against him and not if he's not your Lord. Then you that 361 00:27:26.490 --> 00:27:32.400 Holy Spirit is not guiding you, it is not helping you to be righteous. 362 00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:37.519 But you can be with God. We can do all things through God. 363 00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:41.000 Again, that was a point at which I'm seeing her now. She's 364 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:48.589 she's looking really like this is what she wants. And then I said, 365 00:27:48.630 --> 00:27:52.430 do you know the story about Daniel in the lions den? And she didn't. 366 00:27:52.670 --> 00:27:59.460 That shocked me. Someone who claims who doesn't know the story of Daniel 367 00:27:59.619 --> 00:28:02.619 in the life David and Goliath. If you don't know David and Goliath, 368 00:28:02.740 --> 00:28:04.539 how in the world could you even be a Christian? I don't know or 369 00:28:04.619 --> 00:28:07.539 even ever have been to church. If you don't know Daniel, the Lions 370 00:28:07.539 --> 00:28:11.099 Dan. By that same token, it's like, I don't know. So 371 00:28:11.259 --> 00:28:14.529 a pretty basic so I told her this story. I told her the basis 372 00:28:14.690 --> 00:28:19.049 of the story, the basic story, and said Daniel was so in tune, 373 00:28:19.970 --> 00:28:30.079 loved God so much, had had decided that he would not abandon his 374 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:34.680 God no matter what, and and that meant turning and praying to God and 375 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:38.920 he would not bow down to a false idol. And he was thrown into 376 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:42.069 the Lions Den. I said, you know what happened to him, and 377 00:28:42.390 --> 00:28:45.910 she shook her she didn't know. I said, well, these are hungry 378 00:28:45.990 --> 00:28:51.269 lions. What do you think happened to him? And she said they he 379 00:28:51.470 --> 00:28:56.900 was eaten, he was killed. I said no, that is what should 380 00:28:56.900 --> 00:29:03.819 have happened, but God shut the mouth of the Lions and Daniel was rescued 381 00:29:03.900 --> 00:29:07.380 the next day by the king, who didn't know God. But pull them 382 00:29:07.420 --> 00:29:11.369 out of the lions den unscathed. There's not a wound on him and I 383 00:29:11.569 --> 00:29:15.650 told her you were in a lions den right now and you can either be 384 00:29:15.809 --> 00:29:21.450 eaten by the Lions and that Satan, or you can let God close their 385 00:29:21.569 --> 00:29:26.359 mouth, and that's by choosing God and choosing to follow him no matter what. 386 00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:33.000 And so at this point we really believe that that there's been this shift 387 00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:37.789 and that she is going to choose life. And it goes on for a 388 00:29:37.869 --> 00:29:44.670 while and again she said, but I don't want this baby, I don't 389 00:29:44.670 --> 00:29:52.549 want to have this baby. So the the last thing that I really wrestled 390 00:29:52.549 --> 00:29:56.859 to even tell her about was my own background as opposed to board of MOM 391 00:29:56.980 --> 00:30:03.140 and and the lifelong regret and sorrow and that there are consequences and they they 392 00:30:03.220 --> 00:30:08.890 can be lifelong and they are lifelong with with a choice like like murder, 393 00:30:10.329 --> 00:30:15.009 like a boarding your own child. And the reason I'm I'm at there, 394 00:30:15.289 --> 00:30:18.809 one of the main reasons, well, it's not anymore, it was. 395 00:30:18.970 --> 00:30:23.079 What brought me out there was I know what these women are doing, and 396 00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:29.559 you and and I would not wish it on my worst enemy. And then 397 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:33.880 I pulled out I've been painting these rocks with pictures of babies on them in 398 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:41.430 a verse which is the Jeremiah One five before I formed you in the womb, 399 00:30:41.470 --> 00:30:45.190 I knew you. So I pulled one of my rocks out and I 400 00:30:45.230 --> 00:30:47.789 said, I'm going to give this to you and I want you, and 401 00:30:48.069 --> 00:30:55.380 Henry told her what this verse said, and and then I and I'm going 402 00:30:55.420 --> 00:30:57.980 to pray that every time you look at this rock, you will remember it 403 00:30:59.140 --> 00:31:02.779 is God who formed this baby in the womb, just as he formed you, 404 00:31:02.940 --> 00:31:06.170 and he has a plan and a purpose for both of you. And 405 00:31:07.490 --> 00:31:12.210 she had not been willing to give any information to anyone. Apparently, up 406 00:31:12.289 --> 00:31:17.210 to this point, the the nurse and the count or did not have even 407 00:31:17.250 --> 00:31:21.519 her I think they had her first name, that's all. So I said, 408 00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:26.160 would you give me? I at that point actually did say I don't 409 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.720 know what else to tell you. I I don't know what else to say 410 00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.950 to you. It had been going on two hours now, and I said, 411 00:31:33.509 --> 00:31:41.069 would you be willing to let consider our mentorship program I described it. 412 00:31:41.230 --> 00:31:47.140 I told her I can have our Spanish counselor talk with you about this, 413 00:31:47.900 --> 00:31:49.339 because she also, I think, had to get going at that point, 414 00:31:49.380 --> 00:31:53.380 and so did the driver of the RV and so did our nurse and so 415 00:31:53.579 --> 00:31:59.579 did our counselor so I said, would you be willing to have a Spanish 416 00:32:00.099 --> 00:32:05.089 counselor call you either this afternoon or tomorrow and talk with you about the mental 417 00:32:05.170 --> 00:32:08.769 program and she said Yes, so she gave me her name and phone number 418 00:32:09.410 --> 00:32:15.599 and and then we hugged her, we prayed with her and, as you 419 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:21.880 have taught us so well, Daniel, we prayed at her, reiterated all 420 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:24.799 the reasons for why she needs to follow God and not listen to the Voice 421 00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:30.589 of Satan and and love her baby and we would help her and of course 422 00:32:30.670 --> 00:32:34.789 God would help her. And we all hugged her and she got off. 423 00:32:34.869 --> 00:32:38.430 I did call our Spanish speaking counselor and asked her to contact her later that 424 00:32:38.509 --> 00:32:45.019 day, which she did, and and a very brief conversation and she said 425 00:32:45.019 --> 00:32:51.500 the woman was saying again, I'm she was lying about some stuff. She 426 00:32:51.579 --> 00:32:53.900 said she had a nicktopic pregnancy. Yeah, right at five and a half 427 00:32:53.980 --> 00:32:59.369 months and she said, you know, it's obviously not an and and that 428 00:32:59.569 --> 00:33:05.210 she she did not want this baby. So so I don't know what's going 429 00:33:05.250 --> 00:33:10.569 to happen. I'm it's this is the day after all of this has occurred. 430 00:33:10.609 --> 00:33:16.640 I have texted her you seeing instant translator in Spanish with versus. I 431 00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:22.319 know she's received them. She hasn't responded. That's the story and that's what 432 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:29.589 I did that. That's so. Tell US everything we did wrong? Yeah, 433 00:33:29.589 --> 00:33:30.990 I mean, I don't know. I wasn't there and I'm certainly not 434 00:33:31.069 --> 00:33:35.109 in a position to tell you what you did wrong on the mobiltra sound unit, 435 00:33:35.150 --> 00:33:39.430 because that's your that's your territory there. I would ask the in the 436 00:33:39.509 --> 00:33:44.259 course of the conversation, and I know this is this is like probably everybody 437 00:33:44.259 --> 00:33:47.460 who's listening right now is probably thinking. Did you mention adoption? Oh, 438 00:33:47.660 --> 00:33:51.539 we did. That's almost like from the beginning. I'm sorry that I didn't 439 00:33:51.539 --> 00:33:55.930 mention that. I texted our counselor on the RV, Mandy, immediately and 440 00:33:57.089 --> 00:34:00.210 said she doesn't want the baby, okay, and she knows it's wrong. 441 00:34:00.369 --> 00:34:02.490 She by the way, over and over she said it's wrong. I did 442 00:34:02.569 --> 00:34:07.449 talk about the pain that that baby would experience. We know that is without 443 00:34:07.489 --> 00:34:13.199 a doubt. After twenty weeks that baby is experiencing probably excruciating pain and I 444 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:17.599 described in detail. She knew all that. But yes, Mandy, mansioned 445 00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:22.639 adoption, shared with our shared the resource of our person that would walk with 446 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:27.590 her through adoption. Talked about open adoption, I spoke about adoption it. 447 00:34:27.789 --> 00:34:31.230 So yes, she that and she she said absolutely not, she would rather 448 00:34:31.269 --> 00:34:35.949 kill the baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know, just 449 00:34:36.429 --> 00:34:40.820 we did a podcast months and months ago about adoption and mentioning adoption and because 450 00:34:40.820 --> 00:34:44.860 I know that's like for brand new people especially, it's like one of the 451 00:34:44.900 --> 00:34:47.300 first things that they think about or that they even mentioned to a mom, 452 00:34:49.019 --> 00:34:52.289 why don't you play this baby for adoption? And reality is that a lot 453 00:34:52.329 --> 00:34:57.969 of times that's that's a conversation stopper right there. That's a that's a no 454 00:34:58.170 --> 00:35:00.809 goo talking to these women, because you know, we've talked about and we 455 00:35:00.889 --> 00:35:05.610 talked about this in that adoption podcast, as you're asking a woman to go 456 00:35:05.849 --> 00:35:09.400 from doing, thinking about doing one of the most selfish things she could do, 457 00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:13.840 which is take her babies life through abortion, to doing one of the 458 00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:16.599 most selfless things that she could do, which is placing her baby with a 459 00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:22.829 family. And and and that's a that's a selfless thing from other to carry 460 00:35:22.829 --> 00:35:25.389 a baby for nine months and place that baby with another family. So you're 461 00:35:25.429 --> 00:35:29.190 asking her to go from zero to a thousand and like five seconds, and 462 00:35:29.269 --> 00:35:31.869 that's a hard cell. And the reality is that these women that we encounter 463 00:35:31.909 --> 00:35:36.900 at the abortion center, and again, I'm not painting them in a pictureless 464 00:35:36.940 --> 00:35:40.500 and we're all, we're honest, selfish, right, and especially before we 465 00:35:40.539 --> 00:35:45.179 knew the Lord, living selfish lifestyles. These women that come to the abortion 466 00:35:45.300 --> 00:35:52.690 centers are wrapped up in selfishness and they want to protect their their finances or 467 00:35:52.849 --> 00:35:57.769 their reputation or the status quo or whatever, and it bowls down to selfishness. 468 00:35:58.449 --> 00:36:00.050 And again, trying to get them to do a selfless thing like adoption 469 00:36:00.449 --> 00:36:06.199 is is a hard sell. And that's evidenced in the fact that like what 470 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:08.400 you're talking about. When you talk about adoption, a lot of times it's 471 00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:12.639 well, I would rather have the abortion than give this baby to another family. 472 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.039 Like to us, that doesn't make sense, right, that doesn't make 473 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:19.710 sense. You know abortions wrong. You know that there are families out there 474 00:36:19.789 --> 00:36:22.309 that would adopt your child, and we know that right. We have we 475 00:36:22.429 --> 00:36:27.510 have families that are ready, they're ready to go, they would adopt on 476 00:36:27.590 --> 00:36:30.710 the spot, they would sign whatever paperwork needed to be signed. And yet 477 00:36:31.349 --> 00:36:36.059 she's just unwilling and many of these women are just unwilling to choose adoption because 478 00:36:36.139 --> 00:36:38.099 of really I could, I could never do that, of how that would 479 00:36:38.099 --> 00:36:45.179 affect me. It's selfishness, right. But it's not that we don't talk 480 00:36:45.179 --> 00:36:51.250 about adoption. We certainly do. It certainly like an obvious alternative to abortion 481 00:36:51.809 --> 00:36:55.289 and I know in that conversation you guys talked about it along, you know, 482 00:36:55.489 --> 00:37:00.800 as as appropriate and brought it up. But certainly in these situations the 483 00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:06.079 tendency might be to heavily focus on adoption. In reality, that will just 484 00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:08.519 turn that mom yes, actual shut down exactly, and that's why we why 485 00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:13.159 we didn't. There was another thing that I thought was really pretty critical that 486 00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:17.230 I just remembered when she was saying, but I still don't want that, 487 00:37:17.670 --> 00:37:22.949 this baby, and I said, and what will you tell your boyfriend, 488 00:37:22.989 --> 00:37:27.989 who wants this baby and and the other children? And she said I'll tell 489 00:37:27.989 --> 00:37:30.699 them I had a miscarriage. And I said this is what happens with sin. 490 00:37:31.260 --> 00:37:36.380 First you're going to commit the sin of murder and then it leads to 491 00:37:36.460 --> 00:37:40.099 the next sin, which is lying about that murder, the cover up of 492 00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:44.849 that murder. And do you see, this is the path of becoming a 493 00:37:45.050 --> 00:37:50.449 slave to sin that Satan leads us on when when we rebel against God, 494 00:37:50.929 --> 00:37:55.090 and then the opposite is true as well. Take that first right step and 495 00:37:55.610 --> 00:38:01.199 see how God will reward and bless and and I'm saying, I'm not saying 496 00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:06.039 your struggles will cease, but in your conscience and in your heart and in 497 00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:12.679 your ability to to take the next right step after that. Yeah, yeah, 498 00:38:13.510 --> 00:38:16.230 yeah, that's good. I would think. I don't know how much, 499 00:38:17.510 --> 00:38:22.389 how much more in this conversation and really adding to what you've said that 500 00:38:22.469 --> 00:38:24.829 I'm going to be able to add as far as value to it to me, 501 00:38:24.989 --> 00:38:28.980 I know you guys did a great job. Worn into her. Reality 502 00:38:29.139 --> 00:38:31.739 is, though, it's up to the Lord, yeah, to change your 503 00:38:31.820 --> 00:38:37.260 heart. We've so, we plant seeds, we water seeds, but as 504 00:38:37.300 --> 00:38:39.019 up to the Lord to change a heart. And you guys who are listening, 505 00:38:39.099 --> 00:38:44.409 you'll receive this, this podcast, a couple of weeks, probably after 506 00:38:44.570 --> 00:38:47.329 we have recorded it, because we record ahead of times a lot of times. 507 00:38:47.530 --> 00:38:52.730 So, but still, I would hope and pray that this mom is 508 00:38:52.849 --> 00:38:59.599 still not aborted right, that she's still carrying that baby. And so, 509 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:01.920 guys, pray, pray for that young lady. Pray She's still going to 510 00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:06.760 be in that spiritual battle. Unfortunately, in this country, she's twenty five 511 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.429 weeks along and she couldn't have an abortion at the abortion centers in Charlotte, 512 00:39:10.429 --> 00:39:15.070 but there are places that will abort her baby for her all the way up 513 00:39:15.110 --> 00:39:19.230 to all the way up through pregnancy. I mean the episode that we did 514 00:39:20.349 --> 00:39:22.110 interview in the young lady. He went to You New York to have a 515 00:39:22.150 --> 00:39:24.940 late term abortion. Like this, this young lady could go there and have 516 00:39:24.980 --> 00:39:30.179 a late term abortion and there are certainly people in the pro abortion world that 517 00:39:30.219 --> 00:39:35.059 would help her and would pay for her abortion. Their organizations, these terrible, 518 00:39:35.099 --> 00:39:38.570 wicked organizations that actually raise money to help women like her kill their children 519 00:39:38.610 --> 00:39:44.489 and late term abortions, which are kind of expensive and definitely dangerous, certainly 520 00:39:44.530 --> 00:39:46.650 for the baby but also for the mother. And so, just as you 521 00:39:46.690 --> 00:39:50.250 guys remember, lift this young lady up in prayer. There's this fight, 522 00:39:50.369 --> 00:39:52.639 there's this battle in her heart, in her mind, and the reality is 523 00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:57.559 she needs to know Jesus. She needs an encounter with the Lord. She 524 00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:00.239 had an encounter with Vicky and with Mandy and the other folks on board the 525 00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:04.599 Mobultrasun Unit. She had an encounter with the truth of God's Word and there 526 00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:08.269 was some evidence of that spiritual warfare playing out and evidence of the Lord taking 527 00:40:08.349 --> 00:40:13.190 ground in her heart and in her heart will still hardened in some ways, 528 00:40:13.230 --> 00:40:17.949 although I trust as she stepped off that mobile unit she was more she was 529 00:40:19.070 --> 00:40:22.059 more along the lines of choosing life than she was before she came on. 530 00:40:22.900 --> 00:40:27.059 That was you still other devil speaks lives. That was our sense when she 531 00:40:27.219 --> 00:40:30.380 first got off, and it was a little discouraging to hear what our next 532 00:40:30.500 --> 00:40:34.900 counselor heard, but I think she might have been just worn out. I 533 00:40:34.980 --> 00:40:38.449 would be. Yeah, after, after the battle, but yeah, yeah, 534 00:40:38.449 --> 00:40:44.250 yeah, I like what you said when you said that it looked like 535 00:40:44.369 --> 00:40:49.210 God had gained ground in her heart. Really talking about it as a battle, 536 00:40:49.250 --> 00:40:55.480 it is truly arfair. It is truly a battle and and sometimes you 537 00:40:55.639 --> 00:41:00.400 have to fight longer than you think you have the strength to fight, or 538 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:05.309 even then you think is wise. You just you fight till you have nothing 539 00:41:05.349 --> 00:41:07.710 left, and that's I mean Mandy did until she said, Vicki, I 540 00:41:08.070 --> 00:41:10.750 I have nothing left to say, and I came to that point as well. 541 00:41:10.789 --> 00:41:15.469 I I don't know what else to say. I've given you everything. 542 00:41:15.550 --> 00:41:17.739 I everything I've got, everything the Holy Spirit has given me. It's up 543 00:41:17.739 --> 00:41:22.420 to you and and God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I don't 544 00:41:22.460 --> 00:41:24.340 think just to kind of wrap this episode of I don't think that's a bad 545 00:41:24.500 --> 00:41:28.260 thing. Yeah, I think you labor as long as you can, as 546 00:41:28.340 --> 00:41:30.539 long as the Lord gives you things to say and as long as the conversation 547 00:41:30.780 --> 00:41:35.650 continues. But there does come a point where you've got to wrap up the 548 00:41:35.690 --> 00:41:39.289 conversation and you've got to leave it between them and the Lord because because of 549 00:41:39.369 --> 00:41:44.849 that spiritual warfare that's going on, because of all that demonic stuff going on 550 00:41:45.010 --> 00:41:47.840 in their hearts, in their minds, you can go on endlessly with these 551 00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:52.800 women. Again, they're grasping for something. She's grasping for a justification to 552 00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:59.039 abort and she's grasping for justification to not abort, and that fights going on. 553 00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:01.630 We can do our part and fight the battle as much as we're able, 554 00:42:02.269 --> 00:42:05.670 but at the end of the day it's the Lord who gives the victory. 555 00:42:05.909 --> 00:42:07.030 So we've got to put it in her hands and like you did, 556 00:42:07.750 --> 00:42:12.710 like you always need to wrap up in prayer. Is Okay. Well, 557 00:42:12.829 --> 00:42:15.380 the I think I've said everything that I can we've given you every option that 558 00:42:15.460 --> 00:42:21.539 we have available. We're going to leave it in the Lord's hands. Can 559 00:42:21.579 --> 00:42:23.420 I pray for you and then, of course, that prayer is one of 560 00:42:23.780 --> 00:42:28.579 Lord. I pray that you open her eyes, and so I think maybe 561 00:42:28.579 --> 00:42:30.449 it will be good then, as we wrap with this podcast, if you 562 00:42:30.489 --> 00:42:34.610 don't mind, Vicki, for me to pray for that young lady. Be 563 00:42:34.690 --> 00:42:37.329 Great. I just want to pray for her. That that happened just yesterday, 564 00:42:37.329 --> 00:42:39.489 as we're recording this podcast on a Thursday, so that happened on a 565 00:42:39.530 --> 00:42:43.570 Wednesday, and so we're going to be praying for her. And what you 566 00:42:43.610 --> 00:42:45.800 guys again here listening to this couple of weeks after just to agree with me 567 00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:49.559 in prayer and lift that young lady up in prayer. But let's pray for 568 00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:54.480 her right now. Vicky's father, we pray for this young lady. God, 569 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:59.110 you know her name, you know her situation, you know the struggles, 570 00:42:59.269 --> 00:43:01.750 you know the fight that's in her heart and in her mind. God, 571 00:43:01.829 --> 00:43:05.710 you know that spiritual warfare that's going on. You know all the things 572 00:43:05.750 --> 00:43:09.070 that are happening behind the scenes. But God, we pray for your grace 573 00:43:09.190 --> 00:43:12.980 and your mercy see to enter into that young lady's heart. Now. Just 574 00:43:13.099 --> 00:43:15.460 pray, God, for the words that were spoken yesterday by Vicky and Mandy 575 00:43:15.539 --> 00:43:20.340 and others, that those words would resound in her heart, that they would 576 00:43:20.380 --> 00:43:22.179 echo in her heart and in her mind, the truth of your word, 577 00:43:22.260 --> 00:43:25.300 the truth of who you are, the truth of her accountability to you, 578 00:43:27.019 --> 00:43:30.690 God, you're mercy and your love toward her, but also your justice that 579 00:43:30.769 --> 00:43:32.849 you'll bring if she chooses take the life of her child. And so, 580 00:43:32.969 --> 00:43:37.090 God, I pray in the name of Jesus, this young lady would have 581 00:43:37.130 --> 00:43:40.369 an encounter with you. Maybe she's alone, even praying right now, God, 582 00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:43.880 that she would sense your presence, in your nearness, and feel the 583 00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:46.079 conviction of her sin and her need to run to you, and God, 584 00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:50.159 she would run and put her trust in you. Lord Jesus, we pray 585 00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.760 for this little baby, that you would protect her child. She may try 586 00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:57.550 to do something silly and maybe go to New York and have an abortion or 587 00:43:57.710 --> 00:44:01.070 some other state that allows abortions up to that at that age, or even 588 00:44:01.110 --> 00:44:05.550 do something at home, just getting on the Internet, something that would harm 589 00:44:05.590 --> 00:44:07.909 her and harm her baby. So, God, we pray that you would 590 00:44:07.909 --> 00:44:12.260 protect that baby against that and protect her against that and you would just silence 591 00:44:12.380 --> 00:44:15.739 the voices of the enemy. In the name of Jesus, silence the lies, 592 00:44:16.099 --> 00:44:20.380 demonic lies, that come to her mind, into her heart, and 593 00:44:20.460 --> 00:44:23.530 I pray that this young lady would find comfort in you, in Jesus name. 594 00:44:23.570 --> 00:44:30.329 Amen. Amen. Thank you, Daniel. Yeah, we appreciate you 595 00:44:30.449 --> 00:44:35.210 guys joining in on this podcast. We appreciate you guys just agreeing with us 596 00:44:35.289 --> 00:44:37.639 in prayer and, as I said, continue to lift that young lady up 597 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:43.079 in prayer. Ultimately, she needs to know the Lord Guy's reach out to 598 00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.119 us. If you have subjects you'd like for us to cover, if you 599 00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:49.760 have some encouragement for us. Heck we can use some encouragement. This ministry 600 00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:52.909 is Pretty Intense, as we've described in this episode and as you guys know 601 00:44:53.030 --> 00:44:55.750 who are listening, this in intense ministry. So we need some encouragement. 602 00:44:55.789 --> 00:44:59.750 We need you guys to be praying for us. For sure. Just know 603 00:44:59.869 --> 00:45:04.230 that we're praying for you and encouraged by what God's doing through you guys. 604 00:45:04.269 --> 00:45:07.460 If you have subjects you'd like for us to cover in future podcast, things 605 00:45:07.500 --> 00:45:10.300 that come up that have come up in ministry out there, we'd love to 606 00:45:10.340 --> 00:45:14.460 cover those subjects. So reach out to us and can reach out to us 607 00:45:14.699 --> 00:45:16.860 with questions, with encouragements. You can reach me at Daniel Love Life Dot 608 00:45:16.900 --> 00:45:21.300 Org. You can reach her Vicky, at Love Life Dot Org. But 609 00:45:21.380 --> 00:45:29.730 until next time, God bless Ales. Y'All. Give our love for love. 610 00:45:32.449 --> 00:45:40.880 Give me our love for gratitude. I know it will cost me my 611 00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:49.639 life. Nothing's too precious, and some that you