A Conversation Involving Spiritual Warfare

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1:12 What if we not covered that you think would be a blessing for us to cover we'd love to hear from you, so we'll give our email addresses at the end of this episode so you can reach out to us. But let's jump into our subject. Vicky, we were just talking before we started recording and and kind of you looking at subjects and things. We have a few topics we're going to cover in in some other episodes and but this episode we're going to kind of wing it and really go off of a situation that you had yesterday right with the mom who was at the abortion center, and talk through that situation, because this was a situation not uncommon. Actually, I mean maybe a little a little uncommon in that it was more intense than some of these situations are, some of these conversations are, but the spiritual warfare component is is a reality and what we're dealing with like their spiritual warfare.

2:07 But I think the kind of the main marker of this conversation, while we wanted to talk about is because there wasn't intense and and pretty, I guess, long conversation that had a lot of spiritual warfare. There's just evidence in that conversation for what you explain to me that like, okay, some some demonic stuff is going on behind the scenes and some truth from God's word needs to be spoken to counteract the lives of the devil that are being spoken to this mom's life. And like, I don't know. So you just lay out the scenario so people can kind of enter into that conversation with you and then we'll talk through the different things that came up and and hopefully we can empower and encourage those who are listening. Sure, and I in the discussion that Daniel and I had prior to starting this podcast, I really like what you said, Daniel, and I think could be good as kind of a summary for them to hear as after, you know, before I present the scenario. But what you said about when a conversation goes on, especially when a conversation goes on so long, I mean it was it was probably three hours total, and you talked about how the moms are really wanting or looking for two things as they are engaged in this really long discussion with us, and I thought you nailed it that that was what was going on in this mother. Yeah, so, and actually this came up yesterday. I was in venture, a county here in southern California, and there was a dad out in front of the abortion center. He was in his car for the

3:38 longest of times and I was calling out, trying to reach out to him. Then he got out of his car to smoke and he'd been smoking in his car. So it's like, okay, why did he get out of his car to smoke? And then he started, as I was continuing to call out and offer help and then share the truth about his baby and all that stuff. He started to call out pretty angrily right and so he was pretty mad at me, but he still kept engaging, he still stayed outside of his car and I told the folks that are there, you have to ask yourself get he was smoking inside of his car. Why did he get out of his car to smoke? And I believe it's because, even though he didn't want to hear the truth, he wanted to hear the truth. And the same is true of these MOMS that we minister to. There's so much spiritual warfare, there's so much confusion going on, there's so much demonic stuff going on behind the scenes in their lives and then, of worse, there's God doing his work behind the scenes in their lives as well. That, in reality, these men, and these women especially are grasping for two things. They're grasping for justification to go through with the abortion and they're grasping for a justification to leave the abortion clinic. So they're grasping that whole battle between light and darkness, life and death is playing out in their minds, because you see some things. It's like what that young men. If he didn't want to hear what I had to say, all he had to do is stay in his car, he get turned up as music or whatever.

4:59 I mean. It's not like I was being obnoxiously loud or anything like that. I would guess in his vehicle he could barely hear what I was saying, and yet he got out of his vehicle and he stayed outside for a not just for a few minutes, I mean for a lengthy period of time, obviously listening to what I'm I was saying. And so again these men and women, and that's why we talked about in some of our trainings we talked about this and I think we know we did a podcast a long time ago about this, about the message of forgiveness is that we don't want, as they're grasping for a justification to aboard. We don't want to give them any ground for that justification. And so when we talk about like if, to me one of the worst possible things you can say at an abortion center is till mom walking in or to a dad that's out there waiting on his girlfriend, if you aboard this baby, got will forgive you. To me that's like one of the worst things you can possibly say. First of all, it's not necessarily true. Like God's not beholding to anyone. He doesn't have to forgive anyone for anything. So the idea that God will forgive you, that somehow forgiveness as automatic, is not true. It's not biblical.

6:00 Now I think more biblically would be, you know, if you abort this baby but you repent, God is willing to forgive you. But I still don't even think that's a good message to really bring because they will grasp and they will latch onto that as justification to a board. Again they're grasping for two things. They're grasping for a justification to a board and they're grasping for a justification to leave the abortion clinic and not have the abortion. So again there's that that battle in their hearts and their minds, that the scripture talks about that battle between the flesh and in the spirit right, that's going on these these two things in their mind and so yeah, I think as we talked through this situation that you faced yesterday, that's obviously that's going to be evident to the people that are listening, because it was evident to you.

6:50 But again, it's a regular reality at the abortion set. It is and grasping right, and I really really liked how how you summarize those two things that they're looking for, because I had not labeled it, but that was those two things were going through my head the entire time that I was counseling this woman and I was weighing everything I was going to say based on which. How do I speak truth without feeding into that desire to justify, but how do I tap into that part of her that wanted to be talked out of it and be gentle enough that I don't drive her into the other side?

7:34 So so I was really that it. I was very aware of both of those truths of what the woman was seeking, and I think we could probably safely say that anyone engaged in a conversation this took. This was three hours. If that woman doesn't get up and leave or the guy doesn't get in his car and drive away, that battle is going on in them, and so I think you don't give up. You don't give up if they're still listening. Now, in the case of we have talked about, if it's where the abortion is about to arrive and someone's listening and carrying on along conversation with you and that baby's about to die, we do cut it off to kind of tell them go back in there, go and get her out of there, because the baby. Yeah, we're talking about the man, right, of course, right. But if you're that mom, I'M gonna I'm gonna have a conversation with her till till the sun goes down. Stay long as she's not going inside of that abortion center. But yeah, with the DADS there's a sense of urgency that, you know, I'm not going to go back and forth with him forever on. You know, whatever it might be, I'm going to always bring it around to go in there and get her out of this place. Yeah, yeah, so, yeah, that's kind of, kind of, of course, what you're talking about.

8:48 But, like you said, the fact that they're hanging around and listening to you, is evidence again that they're asking for something. They want to they want to latch onto something that really will either give them the power, the strength to leave that place not have the abortion, or go in there and get her out of that place, or that will say, okay, well then it's okay that we aboard because you got will forgive us later, or it's not a baby, or whatever kind of justification right they want to grab onto. Yeah. So, so the story is that she had actually left another abortion center just round the corner from the one where where our mobile ultrasound RV is parked, and she laughed in the the counselor at the other abortion center. She stopped for him. She said she spoke almost no English, but he was able to convey to her that we could give her free altarsound and did this. Let me kind of paint that picture as well, because in Charlotte there are two abortion centers that are pretty close together. I mean there within five minutes of each other. Right one of them is on a busy road. That's the one that she was in initially at correct and then one of them is kind of the the main abortion clinic where we reach out at on the troope drive. If you guys that are listening have been out there, maybe to a prayer Walker whatever, you know what we're talking about.

10:11 And just as a little side note, one of the things that Elijah, who's the guy who had initially reached out to her, if I'm not mistaken, yes, does is he's got, because the mobile unit stays parked at the latrobe abortion center, he's got these little cards that have actually like a map and directions in English on one side to the mobile unit and then on the back side there's it's in Spanish, so that they can get the turn by turn directions to get there, which is, like, you know, kind of again side note. Something good for you guys to have if there's a pregnancy center down the road or whatever, to have just like some little cards or something that just have directions, English on one side Spanish on the other. It's a good way to get her over there. So, anyway, you laid out the scenario. Yes, wanted to. Yes, so that's and and that was really wise of Elisha to to think up that.

11:01 That would be a useful card. It's been very useful. But Anyway, he called me and and and said this woman is going heading over right now to the RV. She only speaks Spanish. So he knew I wasn't at that abortion center. I had actually just left him and gone home, so he knew I wasn't there, but he knew that I know our Hispanics or Spanish speaking counselor. So I was calling counselors that that speak Spanish and the and calling the counselor who is there at latrobe on the RV, letting her know we're trying to find a Spanish speaking translator for you. And it just so happened that a guy that that we've trained, but he just has such a busy schedule he never shows up. He happened to be there just by chance. Are quotes, and his name is Henry and he's Hispanic.

11:54 He speaks nish. So we don't normally have a guy come on, but if you know, if there's no one else that speak Spanish that's a woman to go on the the RV or the mobile ultrasound unit, and then we do so. So we send Henry on and I found a one of our women counselors who would be able to to speak by phone during the ultrasound itself in the back room, because obviously Henry could not go back there. and to complicate matters, there were three women that wanted to go on the RV simultaneously. Two of them were Hispanic and only Spanish speaking. Henry happened again to be there that day. So I advised, probably in retrospect, not wise advice. I told our counselor Mandy, just take take him both on the to Hispanic women at the same time, because your job is these are two ladies going to the abortion center from I mean they weren't. They know each of each other and know each other. So they were moms going into the abortion center and just wanted to go on the mobiles or saying that's right, same time. Well, and and both presumably, both had presumably chosen life. So I'm thinking, okay, it's also towards the end of the morning and I'm thinking I don't know how long the nurse can stay, how long the RV driver can stay, but or Mandy herself, the counselor, could stay. Let's let's do the smart thing and and counsel the two women together in terms of giving them a mentor sharing the Gospel and of course they

13:26 would go back for the ultrasound itself individually. Yeah, I had no idea that one of those MOMS was the situation that that we ended up facing. Otherwise I would never have recommended that. So it's chaos on the RV. I'm not there, although part way through the they counseled the first woman. She was she was very she was on board. She had a really, really desperate situation, but she truly had chosen life and and was overjoyed to see your baby. And so she's being counseled back in the back room while she's getting the ultrasound by the nurse, and Mandy has had begun counseling the person that Elijah had sent over with the help of Henry, the translator, and she texted me and said this is one of the hardest hearted people I have ever spoken with. I've said everything I noticed, say can you come help, and that rarely happened. So I do. Boy, this is a is going to be a rough one. So Mandy had been counseling her.

14:37 At the point I said I can be the Yes, I'll I'll go in the get in the car right now, but it's going to be twenty five minutes before I get there. Can You keep her there? Mandy said, I'll try. She'd already been there an hour by the time that I would have arrived. She would have been counseled already for an hour. So I'm I arrive and use my limited Spanish that I do know some because I'm taking Spanish. I'm using do a lingo. For all of you that that counsel a lot of Hispanic Women, I recommend do a lingo. Great Program Free. And I knew enough that I could introduce myself. I could say how are you, and I could even understand parts of when she was saying how she was feeling. So and I thought that was actually again the whole way over, I'm praying, just I knew this was going to be hard.

15:30 I had no idea what I was going to say and just prayed. Holy Spirit, filmy, I give me the words, because Mandy is a great counselor and if Mandy's feeling like I don't know what else to do, then I knew this was, you know, intense spiritual warfare. Yeah, going on. So the the woman had already told Mandy she didn't have a problem with resources. There were two men in her life, one either a husband or ex husband, won the current boyfriend. Both wanted to help.

16:12 Both told her don't kill the baby. She had people in her life that could help with resources, even before we offered any um she had other children, but she just she just kept saying, I don't love this baby, I don't want this baby, I want to abort this baby. I don't know why. She kept saying that. She kept saying I don't know why. I don't know why she kept saying that. I don't know. I and she did say that. She said that a lot to Mandy, a little bit less with me. But at one point, after I'd been counseling her for about an hour, she said she again said I don't know why, and I and I was pretty blunt, I said, well, I'll tell you why. The Bible says resist the Devil and he will flee from you. And you are not resisting the devil if you are still entertaining the idea of abortion. You are giving Satan a foothold and he will continue to give you the this terrible thing you don't want to do as something you should do. You need to slam the door shut on abortion. Resist the devil, and that's how he will flee. But so Henry was wonderful. Faithfully translated everything that that I said and I knew that the development of the baby

17:47 had been heavily discussed already with Mandy, and as had he was from what our remember. You told me she was pretty far along in her pregnant right and and resources started to been discussed. She was twenty five weeks. Yeah, knowing that, that's why she left. Now I understood because Elijah thought she seemed really amenable to the ultrasound and I asked well, she said she was abortion minded and he said yes, and I said well then, why did she leave? And he didn't know because he couldn't speak to her. He didn't you know? She sure so, but that's why she left. She couldn't get the abortion used. Too Far along, too far along. So I knew that coming into this. I don't know if Mandy knew that initially. She didn't know that. Initially she had not gotten the ultrasound on Ourrv, which I didn't know when I first arrived, and the reason is she was under a doctor's care of some sort. They thought it was very confusing and they're not allowed to do the ultrasound if if she's under a current doctor's care, OBG Wyan's care. So so anyway. So that's kind of the background. Twenty five weeks and so I knew, you know, we have our three talking points, resources, humanity of the baby and God.

19:08 Mandy had covered resources, humanity the baby and some about God, but I I don't know how much, but I knew that's where I had to focus, that this was a spiritual battle she had. Basically, she knew what happened in an abortion. She knows what happens in a baby, the the age of her child, which is incredible to me. She had did she claimed to be a believer. That was the first thing I asked. Very Good Daniel, the one of the very first things I said is, do you know God? And she said yes, he was her gee. And I said do you know Jesus? Have you claimed Jesus as your Lord and Savior? And she said Yes, he is my Lord, he's my everything.

19:51 And I said them, what do you do with this verse? Why do you call me Lord Lord and not do what I say? When a right away, I went I went right away, I guess, kind of for the Juggler, because right to the spiritual joy us, and and and then I I asked and she just said she loves Jesus, she believes in God, but she didn't know why, but she she had to abort this child. I I told her. I gave many verses. One of them I said, let's go through some some scripture. I gave her deuteronomy thirty, verse nineteen. I had I had henry pulled they pulled out a Spanish Bible and had Henry pointed out and have her read it out loud. I set before you life and death, blessing and curse, therefore, or choose life that you and your offspring may live. And I said so God gives you a choice. He's given you a choice. What are the choices?

20:59 She said blessing her curse. Yes, what are the the next choice? Life or death? Right? And what does God say? He wants you to choose. Choose life. And what follows blessing and and she says all this, and then she said, but I still don't want this baby. Then I said you say you love God, you say that you believe and follow God, and has God ever let you down? She said no, and then she even said Nunka, which is a word I understand. Never he's never let her down. And I said, so, this God that you claim to love, who has never let you down, is that?

21:41 Did He, like mess up? was he closing his eyes when he created that baby? Is that baby a mistake? And she said No. Does God not know your situation, this God, who has never let you down but created that life inside of you knowingly? Does does he not know what's going on in your life? And she said no, he knows well, has his God, who has never let you down, who created this child and who knows your situation is? Is that a god you want to defy now and take the life of that of that child? And she would pause and say no at first, and then she would say, but I don't want this baby, I don't want to have this baby. So then I brought her to Romans ten nine. If if you believe in your heart that, or if you proclaim with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God is raised, raised him from the dead, then you would be saved. And I said, have you ever done that? And she said, Jesus is her Lord, and I said okay, well, let's break that first down. Proclaim with your mouth. What does that mean?

22:55 She knew that meant. You say it, you use express it, that Jesus is Lord. Asked her what that meant. Again, like so often happens, which is why we spend so much time on podcast in our training saying really focus on that. She did not know what that meant. Not Really. She said he's everything, he's all, he's in control of everything, but she never personalized it. What does that mean to her and how someone who claims Jesus is Lord of their life? How are we to respond? She never was able to answer that until, you know, I went into well, if money is lord of your life, pretend it is. What would you do anything to get money? Yes, anything, I'd, you know, lie, steal, whatever it took to get money.

23:41 How about if your boyfriend, and I purposely say this one, how about if your boyfriend is is Lord of Your Life? Would you go in that abortion center and kill your baby? And that did that? This is when, for the first time, I'd been talking, probably an hour at this point with her, and for the first time the the just bizarre rebellion against God, despite knowing that everything I was saying was true and was biblical. At that point something kind of shifted in the look on her face and she said, but my boyfriend wants me to keep the baby, and I said I know, but if he was lord of your life and he said kill that baby, would you do it? And she said yes, and I said then who's Lord of Your Life Right now, because it was her.

24:33 She was Lord of her life, not Jesus. She was. She was going to go in and kill that baby because she wanted to kill the baby. Shouldn't know why, but she did. She didn't want to have the baby. So then I said, now, if Jesus is Lord of Your Life, what's the sixth commandment? And Henry got that in the Bible for her, which is thou shall not murder. I said, if Jesus is Lord of Your Life, what what will you do? And she said, I won't kill my baby. I think she did use the word kill my baby. Then, Daniel, we talked about how mom's never say that, but I think at that point she did. She said I want then, I won't kill my baby, and I thought victory. I thought we've got we've got the victory for God and for this baby at that moment, because she got it, she understood. Henry even turned to me. She doesn't speak English, so he was okay saying this and he said something just changed.

25:33 She understands. That's what he said and that's what I felt, and that was where there's this battle between life or death, blessing her cursy, spiritual battle between good and evil. It was so palpable with this woman and all I had seen up to this point was evil winning. I was hearing Satan's voice speaking to her through her. At that moment the battle shifted and I really felt like she understands and and she gets it, and she was quiet for the first time. She wasn't trying to counter everything, she was just listening and went on and then I don't I don't remember her exactly what else we were saying along the same vein going. I asked her if she reads the Bible. She does not. She has a Bible but she doesn't read it, and I said you will never know Jesus says your Lord if you don't know what he says, and you won't know what he says if you don't read your Bible. So the first thing you need to read it.

26:42 Don't just have it, you need to read your Bible. and Um, and she said, but I I'm not good, I can't be good, I can't do this. And I said, you're right, on your own power you cannot. But if Jesus is Lord of Your Life and if you submit your life to him, do you know what the Bible says? This is a Holy Spirit and enters us. And do you know what the the the role of the Holy Spirit inside of us is? It's to guide us into righteousness. It's our comforter and our guide. And you can do all things the Bible says through Christ to strengthens us. But Not if you keep rebelling against him and not if he's not your Lord. Then you that Holy Spirit is not guiding you, it is not helping you to be righteous.

27:32 But you can be with God. We can do all things through God. Again, that was a point at which I'm seeing her now. She's she's looking really like this is what she wants. And then I said, do you know the story about Daniel in the lions den? And she didn't. That shocked me. Someone who claims who doesn't know the story of Daniel in the life David and Goliath. If you don't know David and Goliath, how in the world could you even be a Christian? I don't know or even ever have been to church. If you don't know Daniel, the Lions Dan. By that same token, it's like, I don't know. So a pretty basic so I told her this story. I told her the basis of the story, the basic story, and said Daniel was so in tune, loved God so much, had had decided that he would not abandon his God no matter what, and and that meant turning and praying to God and he would not bow down to a false idol. And he was thrown into the Lions Den. I said, you know what happened to him, and she shook her she didn't know. I said, well, these are hungry lions. What do you think happened to him? And she said they he was eaten, he was killed. I said no, that is what should have happened, but God shut the mouth of the Lions and Daniel was rescued

29:03 the next day by the king, who didn't know God. But pull them out of the lions den unscathed. There's not a wound on him and I told her you were in a lions den right now and you can either be eaten by the Lions and that Satan, or you can let God close their mouth, and that's by choosing God and choosing to follow him no matter what. And so at this point we really believe that that there's been this shift and that she is going to choose life. And it goes on for a while and again she said, but I don't want this baby, I don't want to have this baby. So the the last thing that I really wrestled to even tell her about was my own background as opposed to board of MOM and and the lifelong regret and sorrow and that there are consequences and they they can be lifelong and they are lifelong with with a choice like like murder, like a boarding your own child. And the reason I'm I'm at there, one of the main reasons, well, it's not anymore, it was.

30:18 What brought me out there was I know what these women are doing, and you and and I would not wish it on my worst enemy. And then I pulled out I've been painting these rocks with pictures of babies on them in a verse which is the Jeremiah One five before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. So I pulled one of my rocks out and I said, I'm going to give this to you and I want you, and Henry told her what this verse said, and and then I and I'm going to pray that every time you look at this rock, you will remember it is God who formed this baby in the womb, just as he formed you, and he has a plan and a purpose for both of you. And she had not been willing to give any information to anyone. Apparently, up to this point, the the nurse and the count or did not have even her I think they had her first name, that's all. So I said, would you give me? I at that point actually did say I don't know what else to tell you. I I don't know what else to say to you. It had been going on two hours now, and I said, would you be willing to let consider our mentorship program I described it.

31:41 I told her I can have our Spanish counselor talk with you about this, because she also, I think, had to get going at that point, and so did the driver of the RV and so did our nurse and so did our counselor so I said, would you be willing to have a Spanish counselor call you either this afternoon or tomorrow and talk with you about the mental program and she said Yes, so she gave me her name and phone number and and then we hugged her, we prayed with her and, as you have taught us so well, Daniel, we prayed at her, reiterated all the reasons for why she needs to follow God and not listen to the Voice of Satan and and love her baby and we would help her and of course God would help her. And we all hugged her and she got off.

32:34 I did call our Spanish speaking counselor and asked her to contact her later that day, which she did, and and a very brief conversation and she said the woman was saying again, I'm she was lying about some stuff. She said she had a nicktopic pregnancy. Yeah, right at five and a half months and she said, you know, it's obviously not an and and that she she did not want this baby. So so I don't know what's going to happen. I'm it's this is the day after all of this has occurred. I have texted her you seeing instant translator in Spanish with versus. I know she's received them. She hasn't responded. That's the story and that's what I did that. That's so. Tell US everything we did wrong? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I wasn't there and I'm certainly not in a position to tell you what you did wrong on the mobiltra sound unit, because that's your that's your territory there. I would ask the in the course of the conversation, and I know this is this is like probably everybody who's listening right now is probably thinking. Did you mention adoption? Oh, we did. That's almost like from the beginning. I'm sorry that I didn't mention that. I texted our counselor on the RV, Mandy, immediately and said she doesn't want the baby, okay, and she knows it's wrong.

34:00 She by the way, over and over she said it's wrong. I did talk about the pain that that baby would experience. We know that is without a doubt. After twenty weeks that baby is experiencing probably excruciating pain and I described in detail. She knew all that. But yes, Mandy, mansioned adoption, shared with our shared the resource of our person that would walk with her through adoption. Talked about open adoption, I spoke about adoption it. So yes, she that and she she said absolutely not, she would rather kill the baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know, just we did a podcast months and months ago about adoption and mentioning adoption and because I know that's like for brand new people especially, it's like one of the first things that they think about or that they even mentioned to a mom, why don't you play this baby for adoption? And reality is that a lot of times that's that's a conversation stopper right there. That's a that's a no goo talking to these women, because you know, we've talked about and we talked about this in that adoption podcast, as you're asking a woman to go from doing, thinking about doing one of the most selfish things she could do, which is take her babies life through abortion, to doing one of the most selfless things that she could do, which is placing her baby with a family. And and and that's a that's a selfless thing from other to carry a baby for nine months and place that baby with another family. So you're asking her to go from zero to a thousand and like five seconds, and that's a hard cell. And the reality is that these women that we encounter

35:31 at the abortion center, and again, I'm not painting them in a pictureless and we're all, we're honest, selfish, right, and especially before we knew the Lord, living selfish lifestyles. These women that come to the abortion centers are wrapped up in selfishness and they want to protect their their finances or their reputation or the status quo or whatever, and it bowls down to selfishness. And again, trying to get them to do a selfless thing like adoption is is a hard sell. And that's evidenced in the fact that like what you're talking about. When you talk about adoption, a lot of times it's well, I would rather have the abortion than give this baby to another family.

36:12 Like to us, that doesn't make sense, right, that doesn't make sense. You know abortions wrong. You know that there are families out there that would adopt your child, and we know that right. We have we have families that are ready, they're ready to go, they would adopt on the spot, they would sign whatever paperwork needed to be signed. And yet she's just unwilling and many of these women are just unwilling to choose adoption because of really I could, I could never do that, of how that would affect me. It's selfishness, right. But it's not that we don't talk about adoption. We certainly do. It certainly like an obvious alternative to abortion and I know in that conversation you guys talked about it along, you know, as as appropriate and brought it up. But certainly in these situations the tendency might be to heavily focus on adoption. In reality, that will just turn that mom yes, actual shut down exactly, and that's why we why we didn't. There was another thing that I thought was really pretty critical that I just remembered when she was saying, but I still don't want that, this baby, and I said, and what will you tell your boyfriend, who wants this baby and and the other children? And she said I'll tell them I had a miscarriage. And I said this is what happens with sin.

37:31 First you're going to commit the sin of murder and then it leads to the next sin, which is lying about that murder, the cover up of that murder. And do you see, this is the path of becoming a slave to sin that Satan leads us on when when we rebel against God, and then the opposite is true as well. Take that first right step and see how God will reward and bless and and I'm saying, I'm not saying your struggles will cease, but in your conscience and in your heart and in your ability to to take the next right step after that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good. I would think. I don't know how much, how much more in this conversation and really adding to what you've said that I'm going to be able to add as far as value to it to me, I know you guys did a great job. Worn into her. Reality is, though, it's up to the Lord, yeah, to change your heart. We've so, we plant seeds, we water seeds, but as up to the Lord to change a heart. And you guys who are listening, you'll receive this, this podcast, a couple of weeks, probably after we have recorded it, because we record ahead of times a lot of times.

38:47 So, but still, I would hope and pray that this mom is still not aborted right, that she's still carrying that baby. And so, guys, pray, pray for that young lady. Pray She's still going to be in that spiritual battle. Unfortunately, in this country, she's twenty five weeks along and she couldn't have an abortion at the abortion centers in Charlotte, but there are places that will abort her baby for her all the way up to all the way up through pregnancy. I mean the episode that we did interview in the young lady. He went to You New York to have a late term abortion. Like this, this young lady could go there and have a late term abortion and there are certainly people in the pro abortion world that would help her and would pay for her abortion. Their organizations, these terrible, wicked organizations that actually raise money to help women like her kill their children and late term abortions, which are kind of expensive and definitely dangerous, certainly for the baby but also for the mother. And so, just as you guys remember, lift this young lady up in prayer. There's this fight, there's this battle in her heart, in her mind, and the reality is she needs to know Jesus. She needs an encounter with the Lord. She had an encounter with Vicky and with Mandy and the other folks on board the Mobultrasun Unit. She had an encounter with the truth of God's Word and there was some evidence of that spiritual warfare playing out and evidence of the Lord taking ground in her heart and in her heart will still hardened in some ways, although I trust as she stepped off that mobile unit she was more she was

40:19 more along the lines of choosing life than she was before she came on. That was you still other devil speaks lives. That was our sense when she first got off, and it was a little discouraging to hear what our next counselor heard, but I think she might have been just worn out. I would be. Yeah, after, after the battle, but yeah, yeah, yeah, I like what you said when you said that it looked like God had gained ground in her heart. Really talking about it as a battle, it is truly arfair. It is truly a battle and and sometimes you have to fight longer than you think you have the strength to fight, or even then you think is wise. You just you fight till you have nothing left, and that's I mean Mandy did until she said, Vicki, I I have nothing left to say, and I came to that point as well.

41:10 I I don't know what else to say. I've given you everything. I everything I've got, everything the Holy Spirit has given me. It's up to you and and God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I don't think just to kind of wrap this episode of I don't think that's a bad thing. Yeah, I think you labor as long as you can, as long as the Lord gives you things to say and as long as the conversation continues. But there does come a point where you've got to wrap up the conversation and you've got to leave it between them and the Lord because because of that spiritual warfare that's going on, because of all that demonic stuff going on in their hearts, in their minds, you can go on endlessly with these women. Again, they're grasping for something. She's grasping for a justification to abort and she's grasping for justification to not abort, and that fights going on.

41:59 We can do our part and fight the battle as much as we're able, but at the end of the day it's the Lord who gives the victory. So we've got to put it in her hands and like you did, like you always need to wrap up in prayer. Is Okay. Well, the I think I've said everything that I can we've given you every option that we have available. We're going to leave it in the Lord's hands. Can I pray for you and then, of course, that prayer is one of Lord. I pray that you open her eyes, and so I think maybe it will be good then, as we wrap with this podcast, if you don't mind, Vicki, for me to pray for that young lady. Be Great. I just want to pray for her. That that happened just yesterday, as we're recording this podcast on a Thursday, so that happened on a Wednesday, and so we're going to be praying for her. And what you guys again here listening to this couple of weeks after just to agree with me in prayer and lift that young lady up in prayer. But let's pray for her right now. Vicky's father, we pray for this young lady. God, you know her name, you know her situation, you know the struggles, you know the fight that's in her heart and in her mind. God, you know that spiritual warfare that's going on. You know all the things that are happening behind the scenes. But God, we pray for your grace and your mercy see to enter into that young lady's heart. Now. Just pray, God, for the words that were spoken yesterday by Vicky and Mandy and others, that those words would resound in her heart, that they would echo in her heart and in her mind, the truth of your word, the truth of who you are, the truth of her accountability to you, God, you're mercy and your love toward her, but also your justice that

43:30 you'll bring if she chooses take the life of her child. And so, God, I pray in the name of Jesus, this young lady would have an encounter with you. Maybe she's alone, even praying right now, God, that she would sense your presence, in your nearness, and feel the conviction of her sin and her need to run to you, and God, she would run and put her trust in you. Lord Jesus, we pray for this little baby, that you would protect her child. She may try to do something silly and maybe go to New York and have an abortion or some other state that allows abortions up to that at that age, or even do something at home, just getting on the Internet, something that would harm her and harm her baby. So, God, we pray that you would protect that baby against that and protect her against that and you would just silence the voices of the enemy. In the name of Jesus, silence the lies, demonic lies, that come to her mind, into her heart, and I pray that this young lady would find comfort in you, in Jesus name.

44:23 Amen. Amen. Thank you, Daniel. Yeah, we appreciate you guys joining in on this podcast. We appreciate you guys just agreeing with us in prayer and, as I said, continue to lift that young lady up in prayer. Ultimately, she needs to know the Lord Guy's reach out to us. If you have subjects you'd like for us to cover, if you have some encouragement for us. Heck we can use some encouragement. This ministry is Pretty Intense, as we've described in this episode and as you guys know who are listening, this in intense ministry. So we need some encouragement. We need you guys to be praying for us. For sure. Just know that we're praying for you and encouraged by what God's doing through you guys.

45:04 If you have subjects you'd like for us to cover in future podcast, things that come up that have come up in ministry out there, we'd love to cover those subjects. So reach out to us and can reach out to us with questions, with encouragements. You can reach me at Daniel Love Life Dot Org. You can reach her Vicky, at Love Life Dot Org. But until next time, God bless Ales. Y'All. Give our love for love. Give me our love for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious, and some that you