July 29, 2021

A Biblical Motivation For Sidewalk Ministry

A Biblical Motivation For Sidewalk Ministry

There are various reasons that people get involved with Sidewalk Outreach ministry. Many of those motivations are good but can cause problems if they become or remain our driving motivation. In this episode, we explore various motivations and talk...


There are various reasons that people get involved with Sidewalk Outreach ministry. Many of those motivations are good but can cause problems if they become or remain our driving motivation. In this episode, we explore various motivations and talk about what we believe should be the primary motivation for ministry.

https://sidewalks4life.com/motivation-for-sidewalk-ministry/ 

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:06.000 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, sin. Welcome 2 00:00:06.040 --> 00:00:10.029 to the Gospel Center prayer life podcast. There's various motivations that people have for 3 00:00:10.189 --> 00:00:14.189 getting involved in Ministry at our local abortion center, and this episode we examine 4 00:00:14.269 --> 00:00:17.350 some of those motivations and then we look at what we believe should be our 5 00:00:17.350 --> 00:00:26.260 primary motivation for ministry. Say tuned me, Lord. I felt show passish 6 00:00:27.300 --> 00:00:39.409 touch your heart. Welcome back to the Gospel centered prayer life podcasts. Appreciate 7 00:00:39.450 --> 00:00:42.810 you guys joining us and, as always, we appreciate if you guys would 8 00:00:42.810 --> 00:00:47.490 share this podcast with others on show the social media, however else you would 9 00:00:47.490 --> 00:00:51.560 share things like that. We just want to be a blessing to people. 10 00:00:51.560 --> 00:00:57.600 Want to equip people and encourage people, specifically folks that are involved in sidewalk 11 00:00:57.679 --> 00:01:02.200 ministry at abortion centers, but in any area of pro life ministry. We 12 00:01:02.439 --> 00:01:06.670 want to want to help, equip and encourage people. Amen, this is 13 00:01:06.709 --> 00:01:11.430 a necessary battle that we as believers need to fight and we want people to 14 00:01:11.469 --> 00:01:15.870 be well equipped to fight this battle in a way that honors the Lord. 15 00:01:15.870 --> 00:01:19.500 Yes, and so we're going to talk in this episode about very important topic 16 00:01:19.659 --> 00:01:26.299 as it pertains to any kind of ministry, but in particular the sidewalk ministry 17 00:01:26.340 --> 00:01:30.260 in front of abortion centers. Okay, and that's our motivation for ministry, 18 00:01:30.659 --> 00:01:34.890 because I think really this podcast, this episode, could apply to any area 19 00:01:34.010 --> 00:01:38.650 of ministry, but since our area of ministry is sidewall counseling and abortion centers, 20 00:01:38.689 --> 00:01:41.930 we're going to focus on that. But Hey, was that if you 21 00:01:42.049 --> 00:01:46.650 got other folks that you know? Maybe they're not ministering as of yet in 22 00:01:46.730 --> 00:01:49.680 front of an abortion center, but they're minister and other capacities. There's all 23 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:53.959 kinds of things that God calls his church to do, not just abortion center 24 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:59.319 ministry, although we feel like that's, I would say, the most important 25 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:02.189 ministry, just not because we're involved in it, because children are dying. 26 00:02:02.230 --> 00:02:07.510 Yeah, but not to go in a rabbit shaw with that. I think 27 00:02:07.549 --> 00:02:10.189 this would be a blessing to people at all areas of ministry. So please 28 00:02:10.270 --> 00:02:14.909 do share it and we'll give you, guys, as we always do, 29 00:02:14.949 --> 00:02:17.060 our email addresses at the end if you have things that you want to add 30 00:02:17.099 --> 00:02:20.740 or things that you subjects you want us to cover. It may be a 31 00:02:20.780 --> 00:02:24.060 different angle to this subject that you think would be a blessing. We'd certainly 32 00:02:24.060 --> 00:02:28.180 love to hear that from you, but let's jump into this, Vicky. 33 00:02:28.379 --> 00:02:34.770 Yeah. Yeah, our desire is that if someone decides they want to Minister 34 00:02:35.090 --> 00:02:37.770 on the sidewalk of an abortion center, that they're in it for the long 35 00:02:37.849 --> 00:02:42.169 haul. Yeah, and we see so many people disappear so quickly. You 36 00:02:42.569 --> 00:02:46.479 fall away because of discouragement, and I think a large part of that discouragement 37 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:50.039 arises from what was their motivation for? Yeah, for being out there. 38 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:53.319 Absolutely. So, if you can identify early on what your motivation is and 39 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:57.039 if it's one of them, that what we say is, okay, we 40 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:00.030 understand it, yeah, but it's not going to be the one that's going 41 00:03:00.069 --> 00:03:05.590 to sustain you. Maybe you can realign your priorities of why you are out 42 00:03:05.590 --> 00:03:09.469 there. Yeah, that was the purpose of writing this article. So the 43 00:03:09.550 --> 00:03:15.219 the first one that I think everyone can identify with as a motivation, and 44 00:03:15.460 --> 00:03:19.379 I think all these were going to mention, all of us have all of 45 00:03:19.460 --> 00:03:23.460 these motivations if we're out on that sidewalk. But I guess in a way 46 00:03:23.620 --> 00:03:28.569 what we're trying to point out is it can't be your primary motivation until we 47 00:03:28.610 --> 00:03:30.289 get to the last one. That should be what and we're not going to 48 00:03:30.530 --> 00:03:32.729 tell you what that is to the end. So listen to hope, to 49 00:03:32.770 --> 00:03:38.009 stated kiss. That's right. But so the first one is just the horror 50 00:03:38.250 --> 00:03:43.919 and grief of abortion. Yeah, yeah, I mean we should be understanding 51 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:46.639 the truth of what abortion actually is. We should be horrified by it. 52 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:51.240 Yeah, it should. It should burden our hearts, it should grieve our 53 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:54.199 hearts because it grieves the heart of God. Yeah, I mean, what 54 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:59.789 are we actually talking about? Because we can get ourselves into all kinds, 55 00:04:00.590 --> 00:04:04.349 I think I've shared this on podcasts before, because we can get ourselves and 56 00:04:04.389 --> 00:04:09.550 all kinds of mindsets, and we can, we could, we could forget, 57 00:04:09.669 --> 00:04:13.419 like what we're actually talking about. And I had a situation a couple 58 00:04:13.460 --> 00:04:15.339 of months ago, maybe a year or so ago, where this kind of 59 00:04:15.459 --> 00:04:18.139 came to bear for me, and it was when I was going through our 60 00:04:18.180 --> 00:04:21.420 pamphlet, our hope is here pamphlet that we hand out of the abortion centers, 61 00:04:21.740 --> 00:04:26.449 and I was kind of refining the part in the middle that panel that 62 00:04:26.529 --> 00:04:29.930 talks about abortion procedures. Write what happens in it, what happens and an 63 00:04:29.930 --> 00:04:31.889 abortion, and so we have, at different stages of development, also the 64 00:04:31.970 --> 00:04:35.689 different types of abortions, the cost. Yeah, and so we have all 65 00:04:35.730 --> 00:04:39.600 of that there. As I'm going through, I get toward the end of 66 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:44.759 it when I'm doing third trimester abortion and kind of explaining what's going on there 67 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:47.120 and try to really be technical about it, because I think it's important for 68 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:51.560 us to know these things and use technical terms but also practical terms it people 69 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:55.990 can relate to it. All of that and I just stopped kind of in 70 00:04:56.389 --> 00:05:00.670 mid sentence when I was kind of refining one point and I begin to think, 71 00:05:00.709 --> 00:05:03.870 okay, what am I what am I writing about? Yeah, and 72 00:05:03.990 --> 00:05:10.300 it came just fresh to my mind. I'm riding and I'm getting technical and 73 00:05:10.379 --> 00:05:12.860 I'm not that it's bad or anything like that, but let's let me not 74 00:05:13.100 --> 00:05:16.339 lose the reality what I'm actually talking about, that I'm not just talking about 75 00:05:16.339 --> 00:05:23.569 abortion as a medical procedure, but I'm talking about the murder of innocent children, 76 00:05:23.730 --> 00:05:26.610 right, and in that moment it was and I think this is this 77 00:05:26.769 --> 00:05:30.209 happens and shit happen to us on a regular basis where we're reminded, because 78 00:05:30.250 --> 00:05:33.730 we can lose the grasp of what we're really dealing with and it can become 79 00:05:33.730 --> 00:05:39.399 technical and it can become just just another ministry or just another aspect of our 80 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:43.920 walk with God or something like that. Right, we need to be gripped 81 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:47.360 with the horror of abortion. We do. And if, but if we 82 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:54.910 stay there, if we stay ripped continually while we're on the sidewalk, several 83 00:05:54.990 --> 00:05:59.589 hours a day, sometimes several days a week, for many people just one 84 00:05:59.589 --> 00:06:04.180 day week. But nonetheless, if that's what we are experiencing predominantly while we're 85 00:06:04.220 --> 00:06:10.660 out there, we will burn out. Oh Yeah, because you cannot sustain 86 00:06:11.060 --> 00:06:16.579 that level of horror and grief for very long without just being drained of everything 87 00:06:16.620 --> 00:06:20.970 inside of you. So there has to be something that. I think what 88 00:06:21.250 --> 00:06:25.649 what you pointed out. I do think that needs to be revisited on a 89 00:06:25.730 --> 00:06:30.649 regular basis for anyone who's involved in sidewalk ministry. But it can't be where 90 00:06:30.649 --> 00:06:33.560 we live, right because if that's where we live, where we are going 91 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:39.040 to be just so sad all the time. The first day most people come 92 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:42.040 out, they cry. They often try to fight their tears and I always 93 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:46.199 say no, this is appropriate. You should be crying, you should be 94 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:50.829 grieving, but but then you need to get to work. God has given 95 00:06:50.870 --> 00:06:58.310 you a purpose out here and it's very hard to complete that if you're overwhelmed 96 00:06:58.790 --> 00:07:02.019 by grief. Yeah, yeah, and so, as we mentioned, we 97 00:07:02.180 --> 00:07:08.540 should be horrified, we should be grieved by abortion, but it cannot be 98 00:07:10.259 --> 00:07:14.300 our primary motivation and it cannot be and it is not a sustaining motivation. 99 00:07:14.939 --> 00:07:19.370 And I will submit that people that I have had experiences with in this world 100 00:07:19.449 --> 00:07:24.129 of ministry that have kind of gone off the rails and just become almost like 101 00:07:24.649 --> 00:07:30.959 nutcases. Yeah, have been people that they're motivation and there their daily thought 102 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:34.040 is the horror of abortion, right, and so I'll say we cannot be 103 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:40.160 motivated and should not be motivated by the horror of abortion, but the beauty 104 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:44.120 of Jesus, abortion is a terrible thing and I do think it needs to 105 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:48.430 be in say in the peripheral but at least a motivation, but it cannot 106 00:07:48.430 --> 00:07:53.550 be the primary motivation, I even say, for those that are involved. 107 00:07:53.589 --> 00:07:57.790 We can become desensitized to the reality of abortion, and so I do think, 108 00:07:57.949 --> 00:08:00.660 like you mentioned and like I mentioned earlier, that we need to revisit 109 00:08:00.740 --> 00:08:03.259 this, we need to be gripped afresh by it. Yeah, and I 110 00:08:03.379 --> 00:08:07.899 do think we need to. I mean I want I make myself on a 111 00:08:07.980 --> 00:08:13.930 regular basis. Look at the graphic images of abortion. I don't like looking 112 00:08:13.970 --> 00:08:18.850 at those, but I need to be reminded of what we are allowing as 113 00:08:18.930 --> 00:08:22.290 human beings. Yeah, that it really does grieve the heart of God. 114 00:08:22.689 --> 00:08:26.129 But again, I cannot I cannot stay there, I cannot dwell on that 115 00:08:26.329 --> 00:08:31.120 constantly, or my heart will be consumed just with the horror of abortion rather 116 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:33.960 than the glory of Jesus. Right. And you speak out of in all 117 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:37.600 of these things, you are going to speak out of what your motivation is, 118 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:41.750 and it does change your tone. I think your tone is dependent on 119 00:08:41.909 --> 00:08:45.789 which one of these are your primary motive, motivation, and we talked a 120 00:08:45.830 --> 00:08:48.269 lot about how the tone is critical. Yeah, maybe more so than even 121 00:08:48.269 --> 00:08:52.629 the words that we use as route ministering. Yeah. So let me come 122 00:08:52.710 --> 00:08:58.220 to the second one, the desire to help the moms in heart circumstances. 123 00:08:58.460 --> 00:09:01.899 Yeah, a great desire, absolutely great motivation. We're called to do that, 124 00:09:01.379 --> 00:09:05.700 without a doubt. It's biblical. Yeah, it's a biblical motivation for 125 00:09:05.820 --> 00:09:11.929 yeah. Yeah, but we know one who ministers in front of an abortion 126 00:09:11.049 --> 00:09:16.090 center is out there very long before they realize that quite often these MOMS really 127 00:09:16.129 --> 00:09:20.490 don't even want our how? Yeah, they're they they are angry, they 128 00:09:20.570 --> 00:09:30.519 are often very abusive towards us in their language and even threatening, and their 129 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:35.559 stories are often very tragic. Yeah, but but most of the time what 130 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:39.149 I have found is, yes, there are in some cases things that they 131 00:09:39.230 --> 00:09:41.590 could not prevent, that they could not help, but I would say in 132 00:09:41.710 --> 00:09:48.750 the vast majority of the cases it's been a series of very poor, anti 133 00:09:48.950 --> 00:09:52.019 good choices, yeah, that have led them to that place. Yeah, 134 00:09:52.419 --> 00:10:01.940 and and their circumstances are often so terrible that it would take truly a trained 135 00:10:01.980 --> 00:10:09.129 team of social workers community resources to be able to help them. And if 136 00:10:09.169 --> 00:10:16.970 your primary motivation is that get these moms out of these hard circumstances, you'll 137 00:10:16.009 --> 00:10:20.169 fail. Yeah, you will fail. Yeah, I mean a lot of 138 00:10:20.210 --> 00:10:24.279 times they don't want to be out of those hard circumstances. I think personally, 139 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:28.360 and I know you've experienced this before, about domestic abuse situation. Yes, 140 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:33.559 we've encountered those. We did podcast about those and it's as strange as 141 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:39.710 it sounds, we have dealt with women who are in domestic abuse situations and 142 00:10:39.789 --> 00:10:43.470 we've done everything we can to try to get him out of those situations. 143 00:10:43.549 --> 00:10:46.429 Even find like save houses and stuff like like that, and it's almost like 144 00:10:46.549 --> 00:10:50.700 drug addiction when they go back to the man. Yep, that didn't always 145 00:10:50.700 --> 00:10:54.740 happen, but it happens often times. Yeah, and if your motivation, 146 00:10:54.860 --> 00:10:58.700 your primary motivation, is to help these poor innocent women in their circumstances and 147 00:10:58.779 --> 00:11:03.220 you find out very quickly that they don't want your help, that they're even 148 00:11:03.259 --> 00:11:07.889 though you got them out of that domestic abuse situation, they're just going to 149 00:11:07.929 --> 00:11:11.370 go right back into it, you're going to get deflated real quick, you're 150 00:11:11.409 --> 00:11:16.889 going to get discouraged real quick and you're going to find yourself no longer involved 151 00:11:16.929 --> 00:11:20.600 in ministry now again. It doesn't mean that this can't be a motivation. 152 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:24.200 A love for other people should be a motivation as believers in Jesus, but 153 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:30.000 it can't be our primary and sustaining motivation. Right, and I think love 154 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:35.190 life coming along has really helped in this area, because they really are two 155 00:11:35.230 --> 00:11:39.990 separate areas. Sidewalk, being out there on the sidewalk trying to convince Mot's 156 00:11:41.029 --> 00:11:45.389 not to kill the baby and and then providing for the ongoing needs that will 157 00:11:45.429 --> 00:11:50.659 help make an honest life change. And love life provides mentorship programs in training 158 00:11:50.779 --> 00:11:54.860 for mentors so that the sidewalk counts are really doesn't need to be doing that. 159 00:11:56.019 --> 00:11:58.340 Should in fact shouldn't be doing that because it's too much. Yeah, 160 00:11:58.740 --> 00:12:03.649 so burned out she you do. And you know, I know one story 161 00:12:03.929 --> 00:12:07.610 of a woman that we've helped many times over the years, fully furnished. 162 00:12:07.809 --> 00:12:11.529 It was before she started, before love life came along. So I was 163 00:12:11.610 --> 00:12:16.840 kind of her mentor and I can remember at least three separate times when she 164 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:22.960 got a new apartment, lost the old one, needed new furniture and we 165 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.240 got it. We got her the furniture, we got her Washer, dryer 166 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:30.590 and everything, and then she loses the apartment and I have no idea what 167 00:12:30.710 --> 00:12:33.429 happened to all those that stuff. Yeah, but it disappears and we're just 168 00:12:33.549 --> 00:12:37.590 doing it over and over and over again, and that is not unusual. 169 00:12:37.909 --> 00:12:43.230 The cycle of poverty is very hard, yeah, to break out of. 170 00:12:43.070 --> 00:12:48.580 So so anyway, so it's we should desire to help moms but, like 171 00:12:48.740 --> 00:12:52.460 you said, it should not be our prime reason for why we're out there. 172 00:12:52.500 --> 00:12:56.940 Yeah, yeah, I know. I've experienced in just seeing new people 173 00:12:56.019 --> 00:13:01.210 come along and some of the questions I ask, and even in the applications 174 00:13:01.330 --> 00:13:03.610 that we get people to fill out like what do you feel, why do 175 00:13:03.690 --> 00:13:09.409 you feel called to this ministry? And I don't. I don't marginalize people 176 00:13:09.450 --> 00:13:11.370 and I don't write them all if they write certain things, but I can 177 00:13:11.450 --> 00:13:15.039 tell if they write you know, why are you, why do you feel 178 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:16.720 called this ministry, that you know, I want to help these poor women 179 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:22.240 who need someone to be there. I think we kind of zero in on 180 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:26.440 that and we make sure that, yeah, that's a good motivation, it 181 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:28.909 might bring you out there, but it's not a sustaining motivation and we try 182 00:13:28.950 --> 00:13:35.190 to direct them toward actually, our primary motivation is what we're going to talk 183 00:13:35.190 --> 00:13:37.429 about the end. Going to give that. We're gonna give you keep. 184 00:13:37.429 --> 00:13:41.779 It's not a big keeping surprising. Yeah, but when I read that kind 185 00:13:41.779 --> 00:13:46.899 of stuff, or even like my wife, who's a ultrasound nurse right she 186 00:13:46.100 --> 00:13:50.340 has nurses that come along who want to get trained up to do ultrasound and 187 00:13:50.379 --> 00:13:52.460 they kind of have this idea that they're going to show up with the awesome 188 00:13:52.500 --> 00:13:56.009 power of ultrasound and they're going to change the world. All these women are 189 00:13:56.009 --> 00:13:58.649 going to flock to them for free ultrasounds. Hey, they're going to choose 190 00:13:58.690 --> 00:14:01.690 life because the ultrasound and all of that. It's like, well, that's 191 00:14:01.809 --> 00:14:03.490 cute. Yeah, but you're going to find out how you're going to do 192 00:14:03.529 --> 00:14:09.919 ultrasounds on women who don't necessarily want the ultrasound but for whatever reason they came 193 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:15.000 on the board, the mobile ultrasound unit. Yeah, and but they're not 194 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:18.080 very happy with you. Right, they're not really happy with some of the 195 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:22.000 things you're saying. Now. Thank God that most of the time by the 196 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.909 time we get them on the ultrasound unit their hearts are softened and all of 197 00:14:24.990 --> 00:14:26.350 that. Right, but if you think you're going to show up with the 198 00:14:26.389 --> 00:14:30.269 power of ultrasound, you're going to show up with the power of your your 199 00:14:30.389 --> 00:14:33.789 voice, and these poor little innocent women are going to just flock to you, 200 00:14:33.309 --> 00:14:37.549 I'm going to say you're going to be sadly disappointed. You are going 201 00:14:37.590 --> 00:14:41.899 to meet this here is. They don't necessarily they again, we've shared stories 202 00:14:41.940 --> 00:14:46.100 where there are plenty of women that come that are just looking for someone to 203 00:14:46.259 --> 00:14:50.379 share with them and they're praying for a sign and all of that. Yeah, 204 00:14:50.620 --> 00:14:56.009 yeah, not not to discount that, but so many more are there 205 00:14:56.129 --> 00:14:58.730 and they don't want to hear from you. You've got to have another you've 206 00:14:58.730 --> 00:15:03.929 got to have a some other things sustaining you to be out there rather than 207 00:15:03.009 --> 00:15:07.360 just a love for the women, even love for the babies. Right, 208 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:11.200 right, and and we're actually going to get to that as a motivation. 209 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:13.559 The love of the baby be as supposed to love it. But but not 210 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:18.320 yet. Our next one, and this one I have seen maybe people burn 211 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:24.110 out the quickest this one. Political beliefs. Your political beliefs are your motivation. 212 00:15:24.269 --> 00:15:28.870 You belong to one party or another. Yeah, you feel that party 213 00:15:28.990 --> 00:15:33.309 is the salvation. They it's it's that party is what's going to change the 214 00:15:33.389 --> 00:15:39.379 face of abortion. And you're the type that your political beliefs then make you 215 00:15:39.580 --> 00:15:43.860 believe that if you can just change the law, if you can just outlaw 216 00:15:43.899 --> 00:15:48.980 abortion, abolish abortion, if you can just limit abortion, whatever, and 217 00:15:50.289 --> 00:15:54.169 you know, I don't want to get into the argument of abolishing versus incrementalism. 218 00:15:54.370 --> 00:15:58.929 We have done a podcast on that. Yeah, but that you think 219 00:15:58.929 --> 00:16:03.690 it belongs in the political realm. There is a political solution and you join 220 00:16:03.769 --> 00:16:08.480 the political groups and your pres sent on the sidewalk sometimes looks more like a 221 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:15.799 political rally then like a sidewalk NSTRY. Maybe you have tracks that you're handing 222 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:21.629 out, that are pointing you to city council meetings or and none of those 223 00:16:21.629 --> 00:16:25.590 things are bad, please understand. That's not what I'm saying. But if 224 00:16:25.750 --> 00:16:29.909 that is your primary motivation, again, what happens when your party loses, 225 00:16:30.429 --> 00:16:33.460 what happens when the laws don't go with the way you want? And what 226 00:16:33.620 --> 00:16:37.820 I have seen as a result of this kind of a motivation is great division, 227 00:16:38.700 --> 00:16:47.289 bickering and name calling if you don't fit the political agenda of whoever. 228 00:16:47.289 --> 00:16:53.529 Yeah, so it again can become greatly discouraging and follows the cycle and the 229 00:16:53.610 --> 00:16:59.970 flow of politics. Yeah, absolutely, and just practically speaking, listen, 230 00:17:00.289 --> 00:17:03.519 if the especially here in Charlotte, but I think this is this rings true 231 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:06.839 across the nation. Yeah, the women that were reaching out to at the 232 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:11.519 abortion centers, yeah, are typically African American women, low income people, 233 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:15.279 right, and they would typically not align themselves. It's just face it. 234 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:18.630 What we're talking about is Democrats versus Republican if your motivation is to advance the 235 00:17:18.710 --> 00:17:23.910 Republican Party, right, and you're talking about that on the sidewalk, that's 236 00:17:25.309 --> 00:17:29.269 you know, you whatever, you're mentioning politicians names, you're going to shut 237 00:17:29.309 --> 00:17:32.900 the conversation down real quick. You come and you show up add an abortion 238 00:17:33.019 --> 00:17:37.059 center, we if you'RE DONALD TRUMP T shirt or your make America great again 239 00:17:37.140 --> 00:17:41.500 hat, right. And Yeah, it's not going to go over so well 240 00:17:41.579 --> 00:17:44.259 with the people that you're desiring to reach, if your desire is to reach 241 00:17:44.369 --> 00:17:45.609 the women going into the abortion set. Yeah, and you know, the 242 00:17:45.930 --> 00:17:51.250 the things that you hope to change. And but that's what I when I'm 243 00:17:51.289 --> 00:17:55.450 saying political beliefs, I also mean whatever you feel needs to be changed in 244 00:17:55.650 --> 00:18:02.680 society, as sexual revolution, the the black lives matter, the whatever it 245 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:07.200 is. If that becomes your agenda out there and you start to wear t 246 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:11.680 shirts, for example, that that have slogans, it is going to put 247 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:17.390 a wall up, yeah, between most of the people that you're trying to 248 00:18:17.589 --> 00:18:23.430 reach. Your your agenda maybe a wonderful agenda, but it's not the time 249 00:18:23.470 --> 00:18:29.980 or place for that on the sidewalk of an abortion center. Yeah, if, 250 00:18:30.140 --> 00:18:33.259 especially if you examine, well, what do I hope to achieve out 251 00:18:33.259 --> 00:18:37.500 here? Do I hope to achieve some sort of societal change in this movement 252 00:18:37.539 --> 00:18:41.410 that I feel is going the wrong way, or do I hope to honor 253 00:18:41.490 --> 00:18:48.089 God and speak for the unborn children right and change the minds and hearts of 254 00:18:48.250 --> 00:18:52.650 people bent on abortion. Yeah, I've had just the kind of a funny 255 00:18:52.650 --> 00:18:55.799 story. If you were there in this happened. But we had somebody show 256 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:59.920 up on the side walk on a Saturday with a Donald Trump flag, oh 257 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:02.839 dear, like wave of the Donald true flag and was hand. Imagine how 258 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:04.400 that went. Yeah, I'm not going to get into all of that. 259 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:11.630 I mean, Donald Trump whatever, right, but I don't care if Donald 260 00:19:11.630 --> 00:19:15.109 trump was a greatest politician that ever lived. Right being out in front of 261 00:19:15.150 --> 00:19:18.549 an abortion center and waiven some politicians flag, it's just not the place for 262 00:19:18.630 --> 00:19:22.990 it. If you think about it, the difference, and we never say 263 00:19:22.150 --> 00:19:26.859 protesting is bad. I don't think political rallies, all that stuff that stops 264 00:19:26.059 --> 00:19:29.779 great. Do that right. She's not the place where, in front of 265 00:19:29.779 --> 00:19:32.660 an abortion center, because with those things, what are you trying to do? 266 00:19:32.819 --> 00:19:37.859 With political rally or with a protest? You're trying to appeal to people 267 00:19:37.940 --> 00:19:42.289 in positions of power, people who can influence society at large. Right, 268 00:19:42.369 --> 00:19:45.490 that's what you're trying to do in a protest. You're trying to influence society 269 00:19:45.529 --> 00:19:49.009 at large. At an abortion center, when you're doing sidewalk out reach. 270 00:19:49.450 --> 00:19:55.359 You're not trying to influence the powers that be, you're trying to influence individual 271 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:59.160 mothers to choose life for their babies. It's a really good point. Yeah, 272 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:03.720 that's a really good point, for your motivation becomes very individualized it. 273 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:07.390 It needs to be looking at each and every woman walking in there and how 274 00:20:07.470 --> 00:20:11.869 can I best reach them? Yeah, it's definitely not going to be wearing 275 00:20:11.910 --> 00:20:15.829 enough or get flat flying Donald Trump flag. I guarantee that. Yeah. 276 00:20:15.990 --> 00:20:19.750 Yeah, so, so you'll burn out. You'll burn out quickly if that 277 00:20:19.990 --> 00:20:25.619 is your motivation, because you'll recognize probably right away what's going to happen is 278 00:20:25.700 --> 00:20:29.059 you're going to insight anger. Yeah, she in fact fury. I think 279 00:20:29.099 --> 00:20:37.250 if people's if the angriest I see the pro abortion crowd and the mother's going 280 00:20:37.289 --> 00:20:41.089 in is when people show up with a political motivation and they tend to be 281 00:20:41.250 --> 00:20:45.529 the angriest people. Yeah, that I have found in my experience being on 282 00:20:45.650 --> 00:20:48.730 the sidewalk. Yeah, you don't about angerish people in our side, on 283 00:20:48.930 --> 00:20:52.240 our side, on the pro life side, they tend to in my experience, 284 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:56.759 I could be wrong, but they seem to be the most angry yeah, 285 00:20:56.960 --> 00:21:00.440 because they have. You know, I think quite often I would agree 286 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:03.549 with what their anger is stemming from. I do feel that there are some 287 00:21:03.750 --> 00:21:08.869 really terrible things happening to our society, not just abortion. Yeah, but 288 00:21:10.430 --> 00:21:12.630 my anger is not going to draw those women out of that place. Yeah, 289 00:21:12.829 --> 00:21:18.549 sure, and and so that then we had talked earlier. So desire 290 00:21:18.579 --> 00:21:22.460 to help the mom, but then the next big desire, which is an 291 00:21:22.500 --> 00:21:26.700 outflow of that, is the compassion for the baby. Yeah, and actually 292 00:21:26.700 --> 00:21:32.220 the mom is sometimes your enemy. Well, I guess always in a sense, 293 00:21:32.420 --> 00:21:36.410 because her being there is saying I'm going to kill the baby. Yeah, 294 00:21:36.690 --> 00:21:41.529 and so she is your enemy in terms of your agenda. If is 295 00:21:42.329 --> 00:21:45.930 compassion for the baby, that's your motivation, right, which is I mean, 296 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:51.000 God bless you, you should have compassion for the baby. What's going 297 00:21:51.079 --> 00:21:56.119 to happen to them is terrible. Yeah, so I would say just these 298 00:21:56.359 --> 00:22:00.119 two are very closely tied together, actually, the helping the MOMS and helping 299 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:04.630 the baby. Now, in the situation with the MOM, obviously the mom 300 00:22:04.869 --> 00:22:10.309 is ultimately that she's we've laid this out before, she's the judge and when 301 00:22:10.349 --> 00:22:14.950 that abortion takes place, if that abortion takes place, then she's a perpetrator 302 00:22:15.029 --> 00:22:18.420 of the crime as well, all right, not just the abortionist, but 303 00:22:18.539 --> 00:22:22.859 she's guilty before God as well. But we have to of course have compassion 304 00:22:22.980 --> 00:22:30.329 for her understand her circumstances. We've talked about that. But the innocent victim, 305 00:22:30.410 --> 00:22:33.650 the innocent person in this whole scenario is the baby. That's sure right, 306 00:22:34.329 --> 00:22:37.769 and so we have to have compassion, and this really is a biblical 307 00:22:37.849 --> 00:22:44.130 motivation, compassion for the innocent. You look throughout the whole scripture and you'll 308 00:22:44.130 --> 00:22:48.599 see very plainly God is for the innocent, and those who are for God 309 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:52.039 should be for the innocence, should be for protecting the innocent. The reason 310 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:56.920 why God judges nations is because they don't take care of the innocent, they 311 00:22:56.920 --> 00:23:00.509 don't take care of the orphan in the widow. God Judge The Nation of 312 00:23:00.589 --> 00:23:04.029 Israel for that very that very thing, hey. And so, as the 313 00:23:04.069 --> 00:23:08.509 people of God, we certainly should have as a motivation compassion for that baby. 314 00:23:08.670 --> 00:23:11.630 Yes, no doubt about it. Yeah, I mean listen, Basic 315 00:23:11.750 --> 00:23:15.099 Christianity, one hundred and one Luke, chapter ten, the parable, the 316 00:23:15.140 --> 00:23:18.059 Good Samaritan, the man in the ditch. Right this, this is this 317 00:23:18.259 --> 00:23:22.980 baby, is the person in the ditch and there they can't speak for themselves, 318 00:23:23.259 --> 00:23:30.089 they can't run way they are. They unlike the other vulnerable people groups 319 00:23:30.289 --> 00:23:36.970 in our past that have been annihilated. They truly have no avenue of escape. 320 00:23:37.650 --> 00:23:42.880 Not that the other vulnerable groups did easily have escape, but they were 321 00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:47.400 out of the womb. They could run, you know, they could scream, 322 00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:51.559 they could, they could it raise something in their defense, even if 323 00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:56.029 it's just a scream. But the baby can scream in the womb but no 324 00:23:56.150 --> 00:24:00.750 one can hear it, right. And so it is. I mean again 325 00:24:00.869 --> 00:24:03.670 it kind of goes back to that first one, the horror of abortion. 326 00:24:03.710 --> 00:24:08.069 Very similar. If your motivation is out of compassion for the baby, which 327 00:24:08.190 --> 00:24:11.339 is an important motivation. It can't eat. That can't be absent. But 328 00:24:11.420 --> 00:24:18.140 if it's the primary motivation, the sad and horrific truth is most of those 329 00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:22.380 babies are going to die. Yeah, so again you're going to be filled 330 00:24:22.460 --> 00:24:29.369 with such overwhelming grief and sense of failure if that's your motivation, because no 331 00:24:29.529 --> 00:24:33.849 matter how wonderful a counselor you are, most of the babies are going to 332 00:24:33.970 --> 00:24:37.529 die. That is just the sad truth, right of what happens out on 333 00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:41.000 the sidewalk. Yeah, I'll give you an example of a kind of an 334 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:45.960 extreme example of where this can really derail you. Now again, where we 335 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:51.519 are not saying this shouldn't be a motivation. This absolutely should be a motivation. 336 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:55.549 Yeah, it just cannot be your primary motivation. Yeah, and in 337 00:24:55.630 --> 00:24:57.349 all of these I think we're saying in some measure, these need to be 338 00:24:57.430 --> 00:25:02.029 a motivation, right, they just cannot be your primary motivation. Right. 339 00:25:02.549 --> 00:25:04.269 So there was a story, and I believe I may have shared this several 340 00:25:04.349 --> 00:25:07.420 times, but this is a story that just kind of sticks out of my 341 00:25:07.500 --> 00:25:11.740 mind, and this is maybe I don't know, six seven years ago, 342 00:25:12.380 --> 00:25:17.059 where there's a young lady who came on board the mobiultra sound unit. She 343 00:25:17.180 --> 00:25:22.809 was pregnant with twins, eighteen weeks along. Wow, and the counselor and 344 00:25:22.130 --> 00:25:27.690 the nurse poured into this mom every reason why she came to the abortion center, 345 00:25:27.730 --> 00:25:32.250 every struggle that she had. They gave her a corresponding resource. We're 346 00:25:32.289 --> 00:25:34.210 going to help you, you're not alone in this thing. So there are. 347 00:25:34.329 --> 00:25:37.880 There is every reason for her to choose life for and I'm sure they 348 00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:41.319 saw the baby on the ultrasound which, as eighteen weeks I mean you can 349 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:45.680 see everything. Yeah. Well, again, she was a mother of twins, 350 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:48.200 and twins, so twins, she said so too, of those babies 351 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:52.789 on the ultrasound yeah, very clearly at that point you could tell whether or 352 00:25:52.829 --> 00:25:57.069 not there boys and girls. All of that, they gave her again, 353 00:25:57.109 --> 00:26:03.150 every reason to choose life, going to walk with her and, of course, 354 00:26:03.190 --> 00:26:06.940 out of compassion for those babies and a love for her, they're pouring 355 00:26:07.059 --> 00:26:10.299 everything into her. Right, but at the end of the day, she 356 00:26:10.460 --> 00:26:14.220 stepped right out of that mobile atra sound unit, walked right into the abortion 357 00:26:14.339 --> 00:26:18.529 center and kill those twin babies eighteen weeks. Yeah, now you think about 358 00:26:18.569 --> 00:26:23.970 that. How did that feel to the counselor who poured everything they could into 359 00:26:25.009 --> 00:26:29.210 that mother, who who visually was in the room when those babies were in 360 00:26:29.210 --> 00:26:32.650 the ultrasound screen? There's no denying that these are human beings, right, 361 00:26:32.690 --> 00:26:36.000 there's no denying that for everyone who was in that room, including the mother. 362 00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:37.839 Yeah, does that feel for the nurse? Right, and tell you 363 00:26:37.880 --> 00:26:45.160 what can happen in those situations is self doubt. Am I even called to 364 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:49.069 this ministry? Is this ministry even effective? Right, that's that's the things 365 00:26:49.150 --> 00:26:52.029 that the devil wants to play in your mind and our flesh plays in our 366 00:26:52.069 --> 00:26:55.869 mind. All Gosh, I should have said this. If I if I 367 00:26:55.910 --> 00:26:57.150 would have did this, if I wouldn't have did that, then she wouldn't 368 00:26:57.150 --> 00:27:00.430 have walked out of this, this mobile. Just so on, you didn't 369 00:27:00.430 --> 00:27:03.380 kill those baby. Here is all these things that can come. Yeah, 370 00:27:03.500 --> 00:27:07.339 and even like the potential to neutralize you from this battle. If you, 371 00:27:07.779 --> 00:27:11.579 if you were only motivation or if your primary motivation is a love for those 372 00:27:11.619 --> 00:27:15.619 babies and you're seeing things like that take plays, then you're going to be 373 00:27:15.660 --> 00:27:18.049 quickly neutralized and you're not going to be on the sidewalk anymore. Yeah, 374 00:27:18.250 --> 00:27:23.049 now, no matter what your motivation is, there's not a person alive who 375 00:27:23.049 --> 00:27:26.809 wouldn't be grieving when that, when that, when that mom walks off of 376 00:27:26.930 --> 00:27:32.559 that mobile. Ultra sound unit. I've been there, I know I've. 377 00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:34.640 I'd had a similar situation. I didn't, we didn't see the baby, 378 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:40.880 but I spent I don't know, half an hour pouring car side into someone 379 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:47.670 just last week and I really gave everything I knew to give, including descriptions 380 00:27:47.710 --> 00:27:49.750 of the baby. They were fairly far along and talking about what that baby 381 00:27:49.789 --> 00:27:55.750 could and couldn't do and the development of that child. And and they went 382 00:27:55.829 --> 00:27:59.579 in any way. They drove away at first and then circled back and and 383 00:28:00.180 --> 00:28:03.700 so there was then the hope that they had changed their mind, and then 384 00:28:03.700 --> 00:28:06.539 they circled back and they told me they'd change their mind, but they circled 385 00:28:06.539 --> 00:28:11.140 back and and I just felt I felt like collapsing. Yeah, I was 386 00:28:11.299 --> 00:28:17.410 so worn out from that battle, that spiritual battle, and that's a that's 387 00:28:17.450 --> 00:28:19.890 a natural response in no matter what your motivation is, and we are all 388 00:28:21.009 --> 00:28:26.640 going to be discouraged and sad when that happens. But because I hope and 389 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.799 pray my primary motivation is one of these ones, were going to get to 390 00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:33.759 at the end. I was able to recover from it. I was able 391 00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:37.599 to get past it. Let it go. Know, this was it. 392 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:44.029 It's what happens. It happens, and it wasn't my fault, anymore than 393 00:28:44.390 --> 00:28:47.589 if they had chosen life, it would have been my victory. Right. 394 00:28:48.190 --> 00:28:52.509 So, so it's not a bad motivation and we should grieve when they walk 395 00:28:52.589 --> 00:28:57.500 in there and that baby that we have fought for so hard is killed anyway. 396 00:28:59.339 --> 00:29:03.740 But you will you will be quickly. I love the word derailed. 397 00:29:03.940 --> 00:29:08.140 They Satan will derail you from your mission. Yeah, if that is why 398 00:29:08.259 --> 00:29:12.529 you're out there. Yeah, yeah, but if that is the prim primary 399 00:29:14.009 --> 00:29:17.410 yea out there. Yeah. So the next someone we're going to talk about, 400 00:29:18.329 --> 00:29:21.609 and the Bible says be angry and sin not. So anger is not 401 00:29:21.730 --> 00:29:26.480 a bad thing, right, in every situation. But one of the motivations 402 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.799 that I've seen and I've seen others come out there, the primary motivation is 403 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.400 anger at the murder of the innocence. Yeah, and really a desire for 404 00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:41.190 justice. Right, we should want justice. We should desire for people who 405 00:29:41.230 --> 00:29:44.789 are doing evil to be held to account. Right, we should be angry. 406 00:29:44.910 --> 00:29:48.630 Listen, Plan parenthood is a wicked entity. We should hate plant parenthood, 407 00:29:48.670 --> 00:29:52.430 not the people, I don't think as believers we have the allowance to 408 00:29:52.509 --> 00:29:57.700 hate people, but everything that they stand for. We should hate everything plan 409 00:29:57.740 --> 00:30:03.420 parenthood stands for. We should hate, right, the fact that they're involved 410 00:30:03.619 --> 00:30:07.809 in, just as an entity, the murder of more human beings in any 411 00:30:07.890 --> 00:30:11.769 other entity on the face of the planet. All right, we should be 412 00:30:11.849 --> 00:30:15.410 angered at that. The fact that we as a society moving on from plan 413 00:30:15.529 --> 00:30:19.049 parenthood and abortion centers and all that other stuff. But just as a society 414 00:30:19.089 --> 00:30:23.759 and political systems. Talking of again about a political motivation, the Democrat Party 415 00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:29.000 being as wicked and pro abortion as they are. We should be angry at 416 00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:32.839 that. We should want justice, we should pray that God brings justice, 417 00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:36.910 we should pray that God would grant repentance to the people that are in positions 418 00:30:36.950 --> 00:30:42.549 of power and Democrats and Republicans alike right who are pro abortion. And so 419 00:30:42.589 --> 00:30:48.549 I think it can be in some sense a motivation be angry and sin not 420 00:30:48.750 --> 00:30:52.819 who should be angered? We should be stirred up over injustice. Yeah, 421 00:30:52.819 --> 00:30:56.460 will seek justice. Seek justice is over and over a praise in the Bible 422 00:30:56.539 --> 00:30:59.380 with it. And we are made in the image of God and God is 423 00:30:59.660 --> 00:31:03.779 a just God. He is a god of justice. So the desire for 424 00:31:03.980 --> 00:31:11.410 justice for that child is is an important biblical motivation. But again, just 425 00:31:11.609 --> 00:31:17.369 like in all of those other ones, the reality is most of the time, 426 00:31:17.930 --> 00:31:22.640 well, we're going to see on that sidewalk, is injustice appearing to 427 00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:27.119 win? Yeah, yeah, and so if our primary motivation is justice and 428 00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:32.160 we're not seeing justice day by day, right, we're going to get derailed. 429 00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:33.710 Yeah, we're going to get deflated, we're going to get discouraged. 430 00:31:33.950 --> 00:31:37.950 Yeah, and so the reason why bitter. I think, what a word 431 00:31:37.990 --> 00:31:41.710 we haven't used up to up to this point, and I think it's critical 432 00:31:41.789 --> 00:31:45.549 because I see it's I do see it. I see it creeping in easily, 433 00:31:45.710 --> 00:31:52.460 a root of bitterness at what you face because you're so angry, there's 434 00:31:52.539 --> 00:31:57.180 so much injustice, there's so much horror that in you begin to be filled 435 00:31:57.539 --> 00:32:02.609 with bitterness. Yeah, and if you're filled with bitterness, that's what comes 436 00:32:02.650 --> 00:32:06.690 out of right. Yeah. And if that's what comes out of you, 437 00:32:06.849 --> 00:32:12.130 guaranteed that's what the women are hearing and that's not what they need to be 438 00:32:12.329 --> 00:32:15.329 right. Yeah, that's not going to change their hearts. Yeah. Yeah, 439 00:32:15.369 --> 00:32:19.000 we're in in one sense, not offering them anything more than they already 440 00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:22.279 have. They're already better. Angry. Yeah, overwhelmed. They know, 441 00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:25.039 they know life hasn't been just for different reasons. They don't always connect that 442 00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:30.670 they're being unjust right towards that child. But but, yeah, so, 443 00:32:30.069 --> 00:32:35.750 so justice. Frankly, it's not going to be served here on earth. 444 00:32:35.869 --> 00:32:38.829 Right. Yeah, I in some ways it will be. In some ways, 445 00:32:38.869 --> 00:32:43.950 our hope is, when abortion comes to an end, that these abortionists 446 00:32:43.950 --> 00:32:47.539 are brought to justice. And people that are involved in abortion to we we 447 00:32:47.700 --> 00:32:52.500 want justice. We should desire justice. I believe that's a godly desire, 448 00:32:52.539 --> 00:32:57.099 our desire for justice that even people that are that are godless, even so 449 00:32:57.220 --> 00:33:00.849 called atheist, Yep, there's a sense of justice they desire. Yeah, 450 00:33:00.890 --> 00:33:02.769 right, and we should never stop fighting for justice. Right, we should. 451 00:33:02.809 --> 00:33:07.089 We should desire justice and the Bible says seek justice, Love Mercy and 452 00:33:07.170 --> 00:33:10.609 we'll comely with our God. We should seek justice. Yeah, as people 453 00:33:10.609 --> 00:33:15.000 who believe in I believe in the rule of law, I believe that God 454 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:20.640 establishes nations with a certain justice system. I'll believe all of that stuff, 455 00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:27.119 but ultimate justice is not going to happen until Jesus Christ establishes his kingdom and 456 00:33:27.630 --> 00:33:31.910 and he's he's the just judge, he's the just king. Right. So 457 00:33:32.029 --> 00:33:37.029 we should desire justice. We should have as a motivation justice and desire for 458 00:33:37.230 --> 00:33:43.619 justice for these babies, but it cannot be our primary motivation because, like 459 00:33:43.740 --> 00:33:45.940 you said, we don't see it day after, day after day, we 460 00:33:45.980 --> 00:33:50.339 can become embittered and I've encountered people like that. Yes, I said to 461 00:33:50.740 --> 00:33:54.849 look wonderful people who are committed Christians love the Lord, but they're their focus 462 00:33:55.049 --> 00:34:00.049 has derailed them. They have become bitter rather than motivated what we think are 463 00:34:00.170 --> 00:34:05.009 better motivation. Yeah, and I've seen that not just kind of like a 464 00:34:05.130 --> 00:34:09.960 bitterness against society, a bitterness against government entities or whatever, but I've seen 465 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:15.559 it manifest in a bitterness against the church. Like the church should be involved 466 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.480 in this battle, right, the church should be, like we should be 467 00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:27.349 the the drivers behind pro life ministry, saving babies, ending abortion. And 468 00:34:27.469 --> 00:34:30.750 yet the church has not been. Sadly, I think we can recognize that. 469 00:34:30.230 --> 00:34:35.070 And I've seen people in this realm of ministry become bitter against the church 470 00:34:35.190 --> 00:34:39.739 because of that injustice, because the church is not seeking justice and loving mercy 471 00:34:39.820 --> 00:34:44.739 and walking home humbly before their God in this area. Right, and it 472 00:34:44.940 --> 00:34:47.739 manifests itself in bitterness toward the church. People withdraw themselves from the church. 473 00:34:49.460 --> 00:34:52.530 All they talk and think about is abortion and how bad the church is for 474 00:34:52.650 --> 00:35:00.329 not doing anything about abortion, and and they get theologically and then just experentially 475 00:35:00.530 --> 00:35:04.690 derailed. Yeah, and they become people that you just don't really even want 476 00:35:04.690 --> 00:35:08.119 to be around. Right. I think the ultimate end of that, if 477 00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:13.960 it it, if it, that person dwells in that too long becomes bitterness 478 00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:19.119 towards God. Yeah, thanks, because ultimately they say why God? Why? 479 00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:22.429 And and there are many, many great people of the Bible, great 480 00:35:22.469 --> 00:35:27.469 saints of the Bible, who call out why God, why are you not 481 00:35:27.550 --> 00:35:31.670 ending this now? But and they do. I mean there's plenty of people 482 00:35:31.670 --> 00:35:36.940 in the Bible that that that call out to God saying why? Yeah, 483 00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:44.780 but if that's where they stay, then it just becomes a complaining, bitter 484 00:35:44.820 --> 00:35:49.579 spirit and an anger at God, a bitterness towards God. All, honestly, 485 00:35:49.860 --> 00:35:53.610 a lack of trust and faith that he has a plan and we may 486 00:35:53.730 --> 00:36:00.090 not like how we're seeing it played out, but we do have to trust 487 00:36:00.250 --> 00:36:04.289 that he ultimately is the one that will bring justice and is in control. 488 00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:07.519 Yeah, and that bitterness is not going to serve as well. Yeah, 489 00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.239 you see in some of the psalms you mentioned about people that cry out why 490 00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:14.360 God? Yeah, and you see the Psalms David does that very, very 491 00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:19.829 frequently. Yeah, very frequently. Yeah, but typically in those psalms where 492 00:36:19.829 --> 00:36:22.429 he starts out with why God, what have you forsaken me and all of 493 00:36:22.550 --> 00:36:25.869 this, yeah, it will end with sort of like a reconciliation in his 494 00:36:25.989 --> 00:36:30.630 mind that you're good God and I trust you. Yeah, and that's certainly 495 00:36:30.070 --> 00:36:35.139 you know, as we're crying out through the Lord, any attitude of bitterness 496 00:36:35.179 --> 00:36:37.820 toward God is unfounded, right, and they needs to be reconciled with the 497 00:36:37.860 --> 00:36:40.460 truth of who he is and the fact that we need to trust him. 498 00:36:40.739 --> 00:36:45.219 Yeah, and, like you said, we get in this kind of being 499 00:36:45.260 --> 00:36:49.289 our primary motivation, this desire for justice and anger against injustice and all of 500 00:36:49.409 --> 00:36:53.849 that. Yeah, bitterness is a horrible thing that spreads like a cancer throughout 501 00:36:53.929 --> 00:36:59.010 people and it's designed to destroy people and it will destroy teams. I have 502 00:36:59.170 --> 00:37:04.440 seen it where one bitter person speaking out bitterly can kind of poison the attitude 503 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:09.880 of everyone around them because everyone the bitterness, the injustice is there. All 504 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:14.519 of us are feeling it and all of us want it to end. So 505 00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.949 that bitterness can spread like a cancer among your team members, and it can. 506 00:37:19.230 --> 00:37:22.550 It can destroy a ministry. Yeah, if that becomes too prevalent, 507 00:37:22.710 --> 00:37:25.789 and I think sometimes it does. Yeah, so now we're getting into the 508 00:37:25.829 --> 00:37:30.940 good stuff. Yeah, now we're coming to I separate them out. They're 509 00:37:30.940 --> 00:37:36.460 really not separate, but I do separate out the last two motivations, which 510 00:37:36.460 --> 00:37:39.860 we think are the motivations that are sustaining. Yeah, and that will ultimately 511 00:37:40.019 --> 00:37:44.769 really should be our primary motive and should be our primary and all of the 512 00:37:44.889 --> 00:37:50.530 other motivations should really come under the umbrella of these two. That's right. 513 00:37:51.010 --> 00:37:55.210 And the first is biblical conviction. Right, as believers in Jesus, if 514 00:37:55.329 --> 00:38:00.559 we can't point to scripture as to why we do what we do and and 515 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:05.280 and how we do in every area of life, right, every area of 516 00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:07.599 life, then we're off base. That's right. We need to see. 517 00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:12.440 What does the Bible say? Yes, and so if the Bible, like 518 00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:16.630 some claim says nothing about abortion, then should I even be involved in in 519 00:38:16.829 --> 00:38:21.110 this ministry? Yeah, does a matter of fact, that the Bible says 520 00:38:21.110 --> 00:38:23.510 a whole lot about abortion. Doesn't use the word, but use the word 521 00:38:23.550 --> 00:38:28.300 abortion, uses the concept over and over over again. I'm killing the innocent. 522 00:38:28.340 --> 00:38:31.500 Yeah, and so we see that and yeah, we're angered at the 523 00:38:31.659 --> 00:38:36.099 injustice, because God is. I was actually talking to one of the pro 524 00:38:36.260 --> 00:38:39.300 boards, which I don't do on a regular basis, or try not to, 525 00:38:39.699 --> 00:38:42.730 and I don't let them be a distraction. You guys know that. 526 00:38:42.769 --> 00:38:45.489 Don't say not our mission, but I was. I was sharing with one 527 00:38:45.530 --> 00:38:50.210 of the pro boards just Saturday about my motivation. I was talking to her 528 00:38:50.210 --> 00:38:54.210 about her motivation, just pointing out to her your obvious motivation is not because 529 00:38:54.210 --> 00:38:57.639 you love and care about these women. Are. You wouldn't be saying some 530 00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.400 of the things that you're saying, acting like you're acting, because you're not 531 00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:04.159 helping the women that are going into the abortion center. And so you need 532 00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:07.079 to check your motivation. And she talked about motivation for me. I said 533 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:13.309 for her my motivation. Listen, if I wasn't a believer in Jesus, 534 00:39:13.989 --> 00:39:15.909 I could care less about these babies, I could care less about these women. 535 00:39:15.909 --> 00:39:20.110 In my selfishness and in my sin, I could care less about other 536 00:39:20.150 --> 00:39:23.420 people. Yeah, because God has transformed my heart and he's given me his 537 00:39:23.900 --> 00:39:29.780 word, the revelation of who he is in his word and what he desires. 538 00:39:30.219 --> 00:39:32.739 His desires, by His grace of have become mind. So I care 539 00:39:32.940 --> 00:39:38.650 deeply about these women. I cared deeply about these babies, but only because 540 00:39:38.690 --> 00:39:43.050 of who god is in my life. Apart from him, what do I 541 00:39:43.090 --> 00:39:46.409 care? Yes, selfish individual, just like that pro board, because it's 542 00:39:46.489 --> 00:39:52.480 really my point with her was your motivation is as really self righteousness. It's 543 00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:57.280 really to try to cover up your own sin and your own past and really 544 00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.679 to push your own agenda. You don't care about those women, you care 545 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:04.400 about yourself. Right. That's my point there. And I would be just 546 00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:08.389 like that if it wasn't for God and how he changed my heart through his 547 00:40:08.510 --> 00:40:13.389 word. Right. And and so we look to his word when we're when 548 00:40:13.429 --> 00:40:16.750 we're motivated by biblical conviction, we are looking to his word. So the 549 00:40:17.230 --> 00:40:22.139 word is filled with action verbs. I think we've mentioned this before. Speak 550 00:40:22.260 --> 00:40:24.940 for those who can't speak for themselves, hold back those on a path of 551 00:40:25.219 --> 00:40:30.619 destruction. Yeah, you know, we've taught the parable of the Good Samaritan. 552 00:40:30.699 --> 00:40:32.659 Get them out of the ditch, GE get them ongoing help. So 553 00:40:34.500 --> 00:40:38.570 our motivation, our actions, follow that motivation of what does the Bible tell 554 00:40:38.610 --> 00:40:44.889 us to do? Yeah, but then that leads kind of inseparable from the 555 00:40:45.090 --> 00:40:52.320 final motivation. Biblical conviction is absolutely a very good motivation. Yep, but 556 00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:54.960 I think there's one I kind of part it a little and say there's one 557 00:40:55.400 --> 00:41:00.119 that that you are certainly alluding to, that is the strongest motivation, and 558 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:06.110 ultimately that is the love of God. Yeah, yeah, and what we 559 00:41:06.190 --> 00:41:08.949 mean by that is not just like generally, the love of God should be 560 00:41:09.030 --> 00:41:15.469 your motivation, but a love for God, Right, Matthew, Chapter Twenty 561 00:41:15.510 --> 00:41:20.900 Two, verses thirty seven through forty. This is a man asking Jesus what 562 00:41:21.099 --> 00:41:23.539 is the greatest command and Jesus said to him you shall love the Lord your 563 00:41:23.579 --> 00:41:25.980 God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind. 564 00:41:27.539 --> 00:41:30.260 This is the first in great commandment. This, this is it, 565 00:41:30.820 --> 00:41:35.409 this is the thing above all things. If you want to know what what 566 00:41:36.050 --> 00:41:37.969 God wants, here's what he wants. Love the Lord your God with all 567 00:41:38.010 --> 00:41:40.210 your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, with all 568 00:41:40.289 --> 00:41:44.690 your strength. M and then he said the second is like it. So 569 00:41:44.969 --> 00:41:49.199 Jesus is saying these two are very closely tied together. Right, is a 570 00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:51.400 matter of fact. I would say. You can't have one without the other. 571 00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:55.639 You can't. You can't properly love your neighbor, those babies, those 572 00:41:55.679 --> 00:42:00.079 women, you can't properly love your neighbor until you love God first. Right, 573 00:42:00.550 --> 00:42:04.110 because you'll get the cart before the horse and things will be out of 574 00:42:04.150 --> 00:42:07.590 whack. Right, but you can't say that you love God if you're not 575 00:42:07.670 --> 00:42:09.269 doing any. John Talks about this. And First John, how you how 576 00:42:09.269 --> 00:42:12.989 you're going to say you love God and don't love your brother? Practically right, 577 00:42:13.070 --> 00:42:15.710 so to say that you love God. That's what the Pharisees did. 578 00:42:15.739 --> 00:42:17.940 Yeah, we love God above all things, and they rejected their neighbor. 579 00:42:19.099 --> 00:42:22.619 They neglected their duty to their neighbors. So these are very closely tied together. 580 00:42:22.659 --> 00:42:25.179 So he says. The first, this is the first and great commitment, 581 00:42:25.260 --> 00:42:28.900 Love God, and the second is like it. You should love your 582 00:42:28.940 --> 00:42:32.210 neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the Prophet 583 00:42:32.289 --> 00:42:36.369 so all that that God has written. If you wanted to sum it up, 584 00:42:36.369 --> 00:42:39.250 it'd be summed up in this love God and love your neighbor. Right, 585 00:42:39.889 --> 00:42:46.880 but notice that there is a primary motivation here. There's motivations. Love 586 00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:52.280 your neighbor is a motivation. We should but the primary motivation is love God. 587 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:54.880 That's right, because a true again, a true and a proper love 588 00:42:54.960 --> 00:43:00.349 for your neighbor will float out of a love for God. And that's really 589 00:43:00.389 --> 00:43:04.710 I think. When you get into people who are okay with violence against abortionists, 590 00:43:06.150 --> 00:43:12.349 it's because likely they've they've put the car before the Horse. They've thought 591 00:43:12.349 --> 00:43:16.099 about those babies, they've thought about what those babies suffer more than they've thought 592 00:43:16.099 --> 00:43:20.539 about what God actually says, because God never gives us an allowance to commit 593 00:43:20.579 --> 00:43:23.980 acts of violence, to to make things right in the way that we think 594 00:43:23.980 --> 00:43:28.250 we should. We have the Gospel. We're supposed to bring the Gospel, 595 00:43:28.889 --> 00:43:31.690 and that's that's what God, in his words, called us to do and 596 00:43:31.809 --> 00:43:36.250 because we love him, that's going to be the weapon that we willed, 597 00:43:36.570 --> 00:43:38.889 the Gospel, the word of God. Right, you get the car before 598 00:43:38.889 --> 00:43:42.559 the horse. In the same way you can get the car before the horse. 599 00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:47.079 It manifests itself and really two ditches and the other ditches. Let's just 600 00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:52.280 let's just not talk about God and let's just really be women focused. Let's 601 00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.269 be woman focused, because that's being your burs with some people would say that's 602 00:43:55.309 --> 00:43:59.309 loving your neighbors. Let's just meet her kneed. Let's just think about her, 603 00:43:59.349 --> 00:44:02.789 yeah, or let's just think about the baby even and it really manifest 604 00:44:02.909 --> 00:44:07.630 itself, and just let's not talk about the hard truths of the Bible, 605 00:44:07.670 --> 00:44:12.539 let's not talk about God's judgment and all these other things and repentance, none 606 00:44:12.579 --> 00:44:15.260 of them repeaus. I'll make her feel bad, that'll make you feel bad. 607 00:44:15.340 --> 00:44:17.860 I don't you. And so you see how I can manifest itself in 608 00:44:17.940 --> 00:44:22.659 two extremes. Yeah, violence, and this is going to this is going 609 00:44:22.699 --> 00:44:25.449 to solve the issue of abortion, or just completely going solved and not even 610 00:44:25.530 --> 00:44:29.289 talking about sin. This is how it's gonna this is how we're going to 611 00:44:29.409 --> 00:44:32.449 really help those women. Yeah, we God, and having the things that 612 00:44:32.610 --> 00:44:37.170 God has put in place in order properly helps us to walk that tight rope 613 00:44:37.369 --> 00:44:43.599 that we're supposed to be walking of Truth and grace. That's exactly what I 614 00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:46.239 was thinking there, which is why I think, honestly, not to our 615 00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:51.000 own horn, but I do think that our ministry has that balance and I 616 00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:55.670 think it's because the focus is love God, and out of that motivation you 617 00:44:55.789 --> 00:45:01.110 will speak with a tone of love. But it is not loving to deny 618 00:45:01.150 --> 00:45:06.869 truth and justice. So you'd so you have both and it's attention and and 619 00:45:07.030 --> 00:45:09.940 you're constantly moving back and forth between those two. But but if love of 620 00:45:10.099 --> 00:45:19.860 God is your primary motivation, then everything that happens there is something that no 621 00:45:20.139 --> 00:45:24.010 one and no result can take away from you. Yeah, because you love 622 00:45:24.250 --> 00:45:28.409 God and you're acting out of a love of God, and no matter what 623 00:45:28.530 --> 00:45:32.530 happens, if you're in your head. I'm doing this because I love you, 624 00:45:32.730 --> 00:45:38.519 Lord. Then every moment you're standing before God, loving him, he 625 00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:44.400 has gained the victory, he has been glorified and you feel like you can 626 00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:47.960 come back to continue in that battle. Yeah, yeah, because it's practically 627 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.150 speaking, if you're standing out their day after day, right and you're not 628 00:45:52.190 --> 00:45:54.989 seeing baby saved, yeah, you're not having interactions, or the only interactions 629 00:45:55.030 --> 00:46:00.230 you're having are negative interactions. What if, if these other things are your 630 00:46:00.269 --> 00:46:02.269 primary motivation, you are going to get the real right, kind of get 631 00:46:02.349 --> 00:46:07.460 discouraged right and listen, I'm not saying that there isn't times of discouragement. 632 00:46:07.500 --> 00:46:08.980 There are, even in we're trying to keep the love of God as the 633 00:46:09.019 --> 00:46:12.380 chief. This is a tension that we live in. Yeah, this is 634 00:46:12.460 --> 00:46:15.460 why we really need to be around other believers. If you're if you're out 635 00:46:15.460 --> 00:46:16.619 on the sidewalk and you're going to serve in that capacity, is kind of 636 00:46:16.659 --> 00:46:22.489 like a lone wolf. That itself is going to derail you and discourage you 637 00:46:22.769 --> 00:46:24.809 need other believers with you. You need to be a part of a church 638 00:46:24.849 --> 00:46:29.289 where you get encouragement and that sort of thing. You need to feast on 639 00:46:29.329 --> 00:46:32.400 the word of God, because otherwise you you won't have anything to offer anyone. 640 00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:37.679 Yeah, so we do want encourage you, guys. We do want 641 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:42.920 to just help you guys alone. We hope that this was helping you guys, 642 00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:45.800 and just reminded you just keep a love for God. You're out there 643 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:50.510 because you love God and whether you see results or not, you're out then 644 00:46:50.789 --> 00:46:53.869 they're in obedience to him because he's the king of Kings, he's the Lord 645 00:46:53.909 --> 00:46:58.550 of Lords, he's the one that saved you and redeemed you and you're speaking 646 00:46:58.869 --> 00:47:01.500 out of a love for him. And all these other things that are good 647 00:47:01.579 --> 00:47:07.179 motivations don't compete for that. That greatest of all motivations. I love for 648 00:47:07.260 --> 00:47:09.940 God. Right. Yeah, so we hope this was an encouragement to you, 649 00:47:10.019 --> 00:47:13.980 guys. We want to encourage you to reach out to us. You 650 00:47:14.059 --> 00:47:15.650 can reach me, Daniel at Love Life Dot Org. You reach her, 651 00:47:15.690 --> 00:47:20.690 Vicky at Love Life Dot Org, if you have suggestions for other podcasts. 652 00:47:20.730 --> 00:47:23.210 We'd love to cover subjects that you would like for us to cover. We'd 653 00:47:23.250 --> 00:47:27.530 love to hear some feedback from you on these podcasts and again, we'd love 654 00:47:27.570 --> 00:47:30.119 for you to share these podcasts with others. But until next time. God, 655 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:44.159 bless God. Bless our love for love. Give me our love for 656 00:47:44.389 --> 00:47:55.510 gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious, 657 00:47:55.829 --> 00:47:58.190 and some that you